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Re: Behh Vs StH
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2013, 02:38:51 am »
no discussion here. sth get the **** out of europe, disgusting toilets. behh take control of YOUR realm. stop this disgusting "movement", why listen to players that have not played the game for years on a regular basis? what do they know about the current sheep tag activity and players? all they want to do is destroy the small kingdom that has been built, and migrate all of the people in that kingdom to their pathetic tiki hut. DISGUSTING. drew, RARELY plays sheep tag. chakra, NEVER plays revo anymore, only BD. shoop, almost never plays sheep tag, yet sits in behh channel all day, waiting for a moment to strike since 1969.

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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2013, 03:13:02 am »
Lol...

StH is an international clan that doesnt make difference depending on what server you are from. Our ambition is doing whats best for the community, and that is what we will do.

We want to do whats best for sheeptag. We are going to try to build up a channel without abuse, with good chat parties and with as much ST games hosted as possible. Exacly what is wrong with that? And oh yeah, the reason I cant play is because I currently dont have a mouse. I am getting one.

Spoofy I dont know what the **** you got against me, but it would be nice if you told me?

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2013, 04:11:22 am »
kinda off topic but okay... Here is what i would like to happen:

-Games hosted regularly(without polar cmk or spoofy)

-An active clan with active sheep tag almost every day.

-People to get off there stealth bots and play. amir/exa/shoop/enstek/sidey/night/itio/chakra

-Have a non kick / ban (unless its polar cmk or spoofy / anyone from csb)
-Same applies above with bots ^

-Have people get along instead of making flame videos about each other and the name  calling ect. (unless towards csb)

-************* I CALL FORTH TO ALL THE LEGENDS.. come back and play sheep tag.
I would like sth and behh to play st together and create games, (Without csb) <- because they are kicking / banning flaming twats that doesnt bother teaching anyone in there clan. DOWN WITH CSB.

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Re: Behh Vs StH
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2013, 04:37:08 am »
No we can't ban/boycott csb.  If we do, then we are no better than they are.  We are just counter hitlering.  The goal is to play inclusive games and not ban ppl you dislike or people who haven't paid their weekly licky tax

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2013, 04:40:33 am »
but they are the reason i cant play sheep tag atm. so why should they get to play on my bots when i am banned / kicked on there bots?

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2013, 10:58:09 am »
Just so its clear, I don't promote Behh or csb. I promote a channel where freedom of speech exists. So far behh channel is THE BEST option out of all.

Another thing i dont get is what is the problem with cow? I have never seen him kicking/banning ANYONE from behh, except for spam bots. Tricking people into thinking that he abuses in any way won't work, because everyone knows the truth.
 
I think most people feel the same way and if you continue fighting for dictatorship u will just lose the majority of this community.


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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2013, 12:32:46 pm »
I don't see any benefits with StH.

The bottom line is that Shoop/Chakra/Drew have histories of extreme abuse and inconsideration: that is an undeniable fact. They may have mellowed down because of external pressures but once you hit them with the right barrage of flames and trigger the right emotions the banhammer will once again come creeping. They may say their bans are 'for jokes' but for those of us with first hand experience of their vindictive emotional flurries it CERTAINLY IS NO JOKE.

I value chat parties more than anything. With these people in charge the quality of flame wars will suffer. Knowing that you risk being banned from the channel because Shoop will have a rage attack will lead to Exa (for example) not loading up his bazooka and firing a legendary flame but instead shooting a water-gun. I can't have that; we can't have that.

We're trading freedom of speech for conformity of speech through tyranny.  Past performance is the best indicator of future performance and Chakra, Shoop, and Drew are by any criterion unfit for leading a channel.

I suggest we stop this 2-channel madness right away and ALL OF US move back to Behh. It's just idiotic and really bad timing to attempt to split the community into two: especially when it's because of an emotional personal vendetta against Cow - who hasn't done anything to warrant it.

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2013, 04:42:22 pm »
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We can't have two channels guys. I need my chat parties.

So let's get the diplomacy train running. Either EVERYONE stays in Behh or we move to StH. Brings the arguments.

I don't care which channel it ends up being, but I need my chat party kiddos there.

Interesting turn of events Sidey. But its not the first time you expose yourself as a liar with a secret agenda. So what happend this time? Did Exa threat to stop helping you with the forums or do you bow for Exas threats about boycott? I think encouraging that kind of behaviour is the last thing we should do.

Anyway, obviously noone will have anything to fear in StH-channel, the accusations are just ridicilous. Ive been kicked and banned mass times from both Behh (especially Behh, twixclub) and CsB. Ive also been kicked and banned by cow when he ran LSS, since actions from years back apperently still matter. I think, if we apply the same arguments against him as has been used vs me, Chakra and drew (gather all actions we ever done no matter how old they are) NOONE who played back when Cow still had the slightest influence will deny he is the LAST person that should have any power. Notorious abuser without a shred of remorse in anything he does.

Now Cow have changed, and me too. I kicked people in games when I got angry. I dont anymore. Not that it has anything to do with channels, where I never kicked/banned anyone except for spammers. Cow did though, if you flamed him. Or for fun. Twixclub did while Chaise was watching, several times, without being demoted. And this was just a few months ago. How can we trust Chaises judgement when it comes to shamans now? I am also pretty sure Katshuma have freaked out recently and kicked/banned people. So yeah, Behh is a **** concentrationcamp compared to StH.

We have also been completley open with our policy, that noone (except spammers) will be banned. And any shaman that abuses (unlike in Behh) will get demoted. Also, unlike Behh, we wont make our channel private as soon as we are attacked by spambots. Our ambition is to make it a place where everyone in the community are welcome. I remember maybe a month ago before anyone mentioned anything about leaving Behh and they suddenly closed their channel because "it was easier than banning the bots". I wispered Cow and asked him to open it for me but he refused so during that period noone except Behh people could enter the channel. This happend several times and will happend again once Behh becomes unthreatened channel.

But tell me Exalius, Cow, Nightmare, etc. If its only abuse you are scared of. Why did you all refuse to come to the sheeptag channel I tried to arrange in a public channel, without any moderation? Even when Behh channel was private you refused to come, despite mass people, including me, Sidey, Amir, etc hanging there. There was absolutley no fear of abuse in that channel and STILL you boycotted it, prefering a channel only people belonging to Behh could join.

These people dont give a **** about what the new channel is och whats best for the community, all they care about is hanging on to the last shred of influence they never deserved in the first place. People like Exa and Cow have always been leechers, people who boycott and destroy rather than do something constructive. People whos flamestrategy is to annoy rather than to come up with clever material. Peoples whos debatestrategy is to intentionally missunderstand and create an impossible environment for discussion, rather than trying to come up with the best arguments. Do anyone think its a good idea to listen to these people?

And yeah, Exalius must be a chapter of his own. He STILL hasnt admitted he used maphack lol? How can we trust him before he at least ADMIT to it?
« Last Edit: September 02, 2013, 05:19:10 pm by Shoop »

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Re: Behh Vs StH
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2013, 06:56:05 pm »
You are only spreading lies Sidey. Get rid of your "changing-opinion-if-better-mood". " I see no benefits in StH still joining it?

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2013, 07:48:18 pm »
Chakra/Drew/Shoop's track record of banning and abuse renders them incapable and unfit for being in charge and/or having any influence over the domain of free speech in our community. Clan Behh doesn't have a perfect track record - but it's damn close and 100 times better than any believable promise these people can make. You are ALL worse than CMK/Jean-mii and the toilet-drama that goes on in CsB amongst 12 year olds in terms of abuse.

I'm open for discussion when it comes to a neutral channel (e.g., sheep tag channel) but such a channel is too vulnerable to spam. ITIO etc will put bot on 30 sec spams "Shoop is a cancer" and the channel will turn to trash. Clan Behh is 100 times better than any alternative.

The end-point is that Drew/Chakra/Shoop are too hot-headed and too hated to run our chat parties. People simply refuse to use a channel where these people have banning and censorship power (and for good reasons). Behh offers us all a neutral arena where we can party, flame, debate, and settle our disputes. That all dies with StH.

Option 1 - Stay in a channel with a great track record that is a neutral arena for us all to party in.

Option 2 - Let three of the most unreliable and emotionally vindictive tyrants run our community through a new channel which is founded on the explicit goal of exiling Cow from the community due to an emotional vendetta against him.

I think it's fairly clear which is the better option.

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2013, 08:09:08 pm »
1. Move to the best alternative (StH), run by guys with a great trackrecord?

2. Stay in a channel run by people who dont care about ST and with a huge trackrecord of abuse?

Yeah it is obvious for me too. But I hope everyone makes up their own mind and dont care about what me and Sidey thinks.

Sidey tried to seem neutral at the start of this thread, but have realized most people will either go with StH or CsB. Seems like he wants our community to be run by emotional boycotters like Exalius.

If you get ONE reason to why StH on Europe isnt a good place to hang in, please show it. Show ONE thing you can call abuse in our channel. Until then stfu and hang in w.e channel you want. I know which one I prefer. But stop trashtalking the people who try to do something, stop encourage negative bs like boycotts and do something to make Behh a better place if you really think its the best choice.

Fact is this year I have been banned and kicked from Behh, with Chaises knowledge, without any reason, and without anything happening to the people who did it.
Fact is Behh channel have been closed several times making it impossible for non Behhs to join it.
Fact is itio and several other people spammed Behh several times without shamans doing anything.
Fact is none of the people in who support Behh seems even remotley interested in actually promoting ST.
Fact is Exa, Cow and Night refused to even temporarly join an open channel while theirs were closed as long as they had a decent chatparty there (even though mass other people couldnt join in).
Fact is Exa is a maphacker but refuses to admit it.
Fact is Sidey is a member of StH (WTF?).

Make up your own mind, try all channels and see for yourself which is better. Just hang in w.e. channel you find best and dont give a **** about what Sidey says because all he does is manipulating. He will make up things Ive said and done and tell them to you. Make up your own mind and dont get dragged into his bs. Im so sick of these constant attempts of dividing the community. Why cant we just have fun, chat and play? If we see problems with the way Behh and CsB are being run, and try to create something better. Why do we get attacked as persons? Critize our project or stfu.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2013, 08:14:56 pm by Shoop »

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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2013, 09:06:36 pm »
Shoop if you want to claim you have a great track record none of your other claims will be taken seriously either.

You have next to no support for your channel from many of the central chat-party legends and you're in turn isolating yourself from future chat parties. I suggest you gather support among chat party legends if you're going to drive this project rather than acting alone.

I am objective - but only as far as chat parties go (that's what matters 10x more than anything else). StH is a horrible option as per this view and until you can rectify my concerns I hope we all stay in Behh.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2013, 09:13:52 pm by FaceOfMelinda »

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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2013, 09:11:49 pm »
How can you even look at your posts and not be ashamed Sidey?

"If you disagree with me then none of your claims will be taken seriously."

Okey...

And wtf do you mean with me isolating myself and next to no support from "chat-party Legends"? First of all who are these chatparty legends who you think should decide whats best for the community instead of the members themselves? Second of all, how am I isolating myself? I am in all channels, playing with everyone and hosting parties for everyone.

I am encouraging everyone to go and see for yourself. Dont make a decision based on Sideys lies. I am also encouraging people to not boycott any channels unless you got good reasons (like people being banned from there etc). Not liking the people who run it (which seems to be Sideys beef with me and StH) is NOT a reason to boycott, and its not how an objective person acts.

But tell me, why are you in StH if we are so horrible? And if the real reason why you try to ruin for us is because you think we secretly plan to ruin for STC why didnt you write that in your first post? Why did you start up with saying you didnt care about which channel was picked? Why have the reasons on BNet you presented been that "Cow and Exa boycott your channel, please you cant reason with them, come back to Behh so we get unified channel".
« Last Edit: September 02, 2013, 09:20:18 pm by Shoop »

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2013, 12:11:40 pm »
I was giving advice ^^ We all know you have a bad track record -  saying you don't devalues the veracity of your other claims lol

But yeah, I can't support you because you have no support from the people we usually flame and chat with. You're directly ruining chat parties through your actions and I can't allow that. If you're able to convince the rest so that we ALL use StH I'm happy to come along - but until then the better option is to stay in Behh and keep our chat parties going strong.


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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2013, 12:49:36 pm »
Right, this has been a shitload to read.

First off, I think the idea for a general channel for all of the STC is a good one. I'm saying that as a hitler-crazy nazifuck CSBer, but I really do believe it.
The problems are that people cling to the past way too much, are too vain to think that something new might actually be better then whatever position they hold, idea they thought up, or current situation they are in, and most of all (since everybody seems to be so concerned about it) they think that StH will be hitlered because every person who applies for a spot of power in this community has a history of abuse.

Lets address these problems. People think about the past way too much. What has a person done, what happened to this or that clan. Hell, we live in the present, so do not judge by the past. This community is as changeable as a ditto, so don't expect everybody and everything to be as it once was.

Then there's the vainglorious notion that people have status, position or influence. THIS is retarded, I mean, why would anyone even want any sort of 'status' in a community for a game called Sheep Tag? Seriously? I wasn't in a clan for a while, but I hosted games, does this still mean I'm less than a Behh peon?
Everybodies opinion here should be evaluated objectively, it's not like 'Oh Shoop says this, we should do it' or 'Oh Sidey doesn't agree, we should stay away from this'. Admittedly some people simply post crap or whatever, look at the reaction, see if it's worth noticing, then either trash it or react to it. Stay away from thinking about anything like influence, it's bullshit.

Last, and apparently most important of all, dictatorhitlerfucks. If you do not want this clan to be run by people who are know to be hitlers, who have 'trackrecords' (which really isn't that important, give them a shot and see if they changed), who might ban/kick subjectively, then the solution is very simple; Get someone objective.
Here's where I could say 'yea w/e I'll lead that ****' or someone else who's objective. A few names come to mind, though I haven't been that active lately. Perhaps Nmcdo and Manzzy? Have never seen them hitler.
The point is, the leadership should be accepted community-wide as objective, and thus adequate to lead a channel where everyone gathers. There should be no grudges or personal vendettas, and if there are, they should be kept submerged by the leaders at the least.
What the hell is 'leading a channel' anyways.. -.-'

Eitherways, my two stones. Now shut the motherfuck up with this senseless spam throwing rocks between you two Sidey and Shoop.
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