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CsB Chronicles
« on: November 17, 2013, 07:59:14 pm »

This thread is about lies, about corruption, about propaganda and deception. This is a synthesis of all the crimes CsB have committed, their maladaptive policies, and their lick-system.

CsB in this case Baiten, CMK, Polar, JeanMii, and Spoofy are selling you all a fairy tale. A fairy tale about CsB: the guardian white knights in shining armour, protectors of all that is good and just on a mission to take down the evil maffia bosses Tollison, Trollpro, Hawkys, and now me. The fact is that Tollison, Trollpro, etc are victims. They may have ruined a few games, but they havent done anything to damage the community in the larger scale of things. People are going to rage, get emotional, and so forth there is ultimately little we can do about that. This is the case in any society and why bureaucracy exists so that there are licenses for everything and so that if a fault is committed the victim can contact the perpetrators boss and review the perpetrator.

In CsB things are different. There is a lick-system. This means that when a fault is committed everyone covers up for one another. If Baiten does something bad its ok because CsB people are friends and as long as theyre friends nothing bad will happen. This is a dangerous system because it eliminates criticism and removes all limits when it comes to power. People in CsB with power are given free reign to do whatever the hell they want without consequence. They are not held accountable. There is a massive double standard where people outside of CsB get banned from games for little things like flaming and ruining whereas anyone in CsB with power can do whatever the hell they want. They flame, they end games, they kick people, they mute, they do whatever the hell they please without accountability. They also argue that none of this is true as seen in the previous thread:
 
http://sheeptag.createaforum.com/community-discussion/disgusting-people/

This thread exemplifies the CsB culture. None of them criticize each other. Not a single piece of criticism is offered by a CsB shaman against another CsB shaman. Perhaps they are not guilty of anything, but that seems impossibly implausible if you take the time to read the thread.  What makes you think this is anything different from what takes place in their channel and in games? They stick together, they do what they want, and they dont give a **** about following their own rules.

This is why they are plague of the community.  This is why people like Hawkys get banned for months. This is why anyone that REFUSES to submit to their defunct code of non-morality is exiled from their channel and their games. Case in point: ME. I brought up all their dirty baggage in the previous thread whilst they argued valiantly for pages and pages that they were innocent they then decided that the best course of action to take was to ban me. For what? For criticising them, for refusing to cave in, and for not accepting their mode of behaviour.

CsB is guilty of:

Banning people from their channel for criticizing their behaviour (e.g., me).

Banning people from their channel and games because of flaming even though they flame even more (e.g., Hawkys).

Not applying any of their own 'rules' to others. If you're in CsB you're exempt from any rules.

Never criticizing each other, not having any objectivity.


A clan guilty of these crimes is a disgusting clan. It's time to make them famous for their disgusting practices. Put them in the dog-house where they belong.




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« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 08:16:36 pm by FaceOfMelinda »

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 09:05:48 pm »
Better the devil you know! Though CsB is surely not even half as impartial or rational as they claim to be but I saw a replay of HaWkys when he was intentionally ruining before this debacle. Sometimes it seems people want to carry on like morons without consequence then cry foul play when they have been dealt with. Obviously this ban went on for far too long because HaWkys went on a tirade and a lot of emotions were in play. A disgusting state of affairs nonetheless.
















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« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 09:34:40 am by koala »

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 09:13:37 pm »
How sidey and his gang took down csb!

http://tumblr.4gifs.com/post/60435369106/swat-police-dropkick-windshield


but really no one is as bad or as good as they appear in wciii or on this forums.

i have seen people banned for little or no reason. (also have seen people that should be kicked or banned but are not)
i have seen several csb leave for no reason/rq/plug/or just afk. (however that seems to be the nature of some people not a characteristic of just a clan)
i have seen people kicked or not let in so csb members can afk in game to watch and talk about the people playing.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 09:31:21 pm by MasteR[StH] »

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2013, 09:18:50 pm »
I think the reason why so many ppl in CsB think they are innocent is because they haven't felt the abuse. I've certainly been on the receiving end of abuse MORE THAN ONCE. You can even ask me on BNet. JM has banned me for reasons other than game ruining. Spoofy banned me for chakra banning him. I've been muted in-game before. I've been kicked by polar so that it could be 3v5.

That's 3 cases right there.

I don't gameruin. I flame a lot, but that's only because I'm the target of a lot of flames for being gay so I flame back.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm grateful CsB is keeping sheep tag alive, but I don't think that is reason enough to abuse power. Hitler brought Germany out of nasty depression, surely his persecution of jews was justified!

The solution lies in not having every member of the clan having access to every single bot... Some people clearly aren't responsible or reasonable enough to have the power to kick or ban anyone.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 09:21:31 pm by Celestial_One »

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 09:32:12 pm »
Do you think because you post with BOLD characters/in red/with pictures => true?

AGAIN you post 0 EVIDENCE whatsoever, this post is as INVALID as other.

BTW: stop saying I banned you for criticizing CsB, if that would be true half community would be banned.
         Haters gonna hate forever.
         

Come at us, try it, try your hardest,
You will not take CsB down.

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 09:44:45 pm »
Ye baiten said that if simba didnt kick me from game that he would lose admin. I got kicked when i didn't do or say anything. Some of CsB (Not all) should be burned at the stake.

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2013, 10:11:54 pm »
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I don't gameruin. I flame a lot, but that's only because I'm the target of a lot of flames for being gay so I flame back.
- celestial_one


Cele, you are not a saint dude. You flamed me for 0 reason during that bulldog game. I flamed you back. You QQ'd cause cant handle my flames and left. Chakra banned me from bot and channel. I saw elemental and (i cant recall if i saw you but im pretty sure I did) supporting the ban from channel. I then went onto europe and banned you from my personal bot.

You gameruin. You have RAGE QUIT from games before plenty of time. After I killed you with that ranged double golem in Sheep tag top 5 plays, you RAGED quit. There have been other cases of you leaving game by raging.

Dont try to be a victim. You are DEFINITELY not one.

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The solution lies in not having every member of the clan having access to every single bot... Some people clearly aren't responsible or reasonable enough to have the power to kick or ban anyone.
- celestial_one

I will always have access to my own bot. And yes, I will ban and kick who I deem worthy of it. Its not often I do so though. If you think this is hitler or harsh, refer to my icecream analogy in my other post. CBA to repeat it.

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Ye baiten said that if simba didnt kick me from game that he would lose admin. I got kicked when i didn't do or say anything. Some of CsB (Not all) should be burned at the stake.
- hawkys

Post a screenshot or anything to prove this happened? Do not trust simba's words.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 10:16:17 pm by Spoofy »

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 10:28:00 pm »
Ye baiten said that if simba didnt kick me from game that he would lose admin. I got kicked when i didn't do or say anything. Some of CsB (Not all) should be burned at the stake.
I really have never seen anyone from csb banning you. But if you say so that this is true, I will really be disappointed with baiten  :-\ Since I have never kicked/banned anyone for no reason, I don't like when people kick and ban for nothing. I only ban true turds. Like sidey.

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Celestial_One - I don't gameruin. I flame a lot, but that's only because I'm the target of a lot of flames for being gay so I flame back.
What if you start the flame? You're not going to say that people abuse on you for muting and kicking you for no reason, no?

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 10:45:21 pm »
i am going on simbas word so i cannot say for definite it is true because simba cant show proof, however when it happened baiten /w me telling me that simba is a dick ect. Baiten and simba DO TALK in skype. simba cannot show me proof because it was on a call over skype but i know baiten and it sounds like something he would do.

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2013, 12:35:06 am »
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What if you start the flame? You're not going to say that people abuse on you for muting and kicking you for no reason, no?

I'm saying peple have kicked/banned me for no substantial reason. Nothing having to do with gameplay, therefore unworthy of a kick. Flaming is a natural part of euro culture. Ppl will flame eachother like nuts all the time... it's part of the fun. Are you saying you don't flame? You flame whenever you get the chance lol. Regardless of who starts flaming it's never a reason to kick someone imo. If that's a standard you're implementing on your bots, then make it known and nobody should flame anyone, and if a shaman or someone else from CsB flames, then they should be kicked too instead of granted immunity.

Spoofy, why do you ignore what is in front of your face? I'm not saying I'm innocent of leaving all games, in fact I've been guilty of leaving before sc is even, but I don't make a habit of it. Everyone, including you, is guilty of leaving before Sc is even at some point in their st career. However, you'd be hardpressed to find 2 replays of me "ruining" within the last few months. Also, leaving a bulldog game isn't a crime, especially when sheep rounds last 1-2 minutes. Leaving before even sc isn't a crime in bd, neither is me flaming you. But that is all IRRELEVANT.

Polar and jean-mii are guilty of abusing their power on more than one occasion without any apology. Polar has kicked me to make it 3v5 (or 2v4, I can't recall, and yeah I have the replay). Jean-mii has banned me and not lifted the ban after we flamed eachother (I believe I have the replay for this too!). People are telling me baiten does too though I haven't seen it first-hand, or felt its effects like the aforementioned.

I don't understand why you're turning a blind eye to all this. You respond to one part of my post, but completely look over what I'm really getting at. There is clearly abuse going on in CsB, and while some of the kicks and bans might be legit a lot of them aren't. All the CsB shamans seem to be covering for eachother or just completely overlooking what another one does... I'm not a saint, but neither are you or your clanmates.

CsB needs to implement a standard of what is kickable and bannable, make a post to refer to, and follow said standard.

The punishment for not following said standards should be removal of access. It's as simple as that. I'm not like sidey, I'm not out to slander your name. I just want the disgusting abuse to stop.

That's all I'm asking for. I'm not asking for you guys to disband, give up your power, or stop playing sheep tag. I'm asking something pretty reasonable, and beneficial to the community.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 12:48:17 am by Celestial_One »

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2013, 12:48:45 am »
Nobody knows abuse more than me when it comes to clan sth on east tft 4-5 years back. I couldn't play on my main, but I went on my smurf and everything was fine. Abuse at its finest.

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2013, 01:39:56 am »
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Nobody knows abuse more than me when it comes to clan sth on east tft 4-5 years back. I couldn't play on my main, but I went on my smurf and everything was fine. Abuse at its finest.
- xxxandbeer

The good old days lol. Hitlered since 1969.

These son of a geeks really havent seen hitler until they see Grim.Shadow.

Hitler at its finest. Running StH since 1969. I remember being banned for weeks for no reason and without any consequence.

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Spoofy, why do you ignore what is in front of your face? I'm not saying I'm innocent of leaving all games, in fact I've been guilty of leaving before sc is even, but I don't make a habit of it. Everyone, including you, is guilty of leaving before Sc is even at some point in their st career. However, you'd be hardpressed to find 2 replays of me "ruining" within the last few months. Also, leaving a bulldog game isn't a crime, especially when sheep rounds last 1-2 minutes. Leaving before even sc isn't a crime in bd, neither is me flaming you. But that is all IRRELEVANT.
- Celestial_One

I am not ignoring whats in front of my face. I am defending myself from sidey's propaganda. I will defend myself from anyone who tries to slander my name. I saw my name in your post and retorted.

Also, link me to a post regarding StH standards on what is kickable and bannable? non existent.

Maybe hypocrite is not the best word to describe StH. But really, its my perception of them. Point fingers at other clans and never take action within their own.

All that aside, I will agree with some of your post. However, to blame all of CsB, to include CandyManKiller or some of the shammans mentioned is completely wrong. Its stereotyping at its finest.

I believe CandyManKiller and each shamman is fully capable of defending themselves and proving some form of innocence just like myself.

I will not support sidey's propoganda. I think he is in the wrong. However, I will not speak for all of CsB shammans, they can prove their own innocence.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely" - John Emerich Edward Dalberg

Are we really THAT corrupt? Ask yourself that question. Just like koala said "its better the devil you know."

Anyone that holds power will most likely become corrupt to some degree.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 01:43:32 am by Spoofy »

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2013, 01:58:00 am »
Nobody asked StH for standards for kicking and banning, and there wasn't a massive rally against StH (maybe there was? I don't recall, though). Either way, I'm not saying StH is innocent, but beer also ruined half the games he played, get him on skype and he won't deny this. He either A. used to run to corner and **** around, or B. left the vast majority of games before SC was even. Beer was INFAMOUS for ruining games on east along with itio.

Also, for the record, grim and I never got along because I knew he hitlered and was INCREDIBLY emotional. He is the east equivalent of jean-mii or polar lol.

We're not talking about sth 4-5 years ago, when we all were emotional highschoolers, we're talking about CsB today. Sick redirect, as you would put it. Also, I haven't blamed all of CsB or CMK. I made that perfectly clear in my previous posts. It's the actions of the few that make the majority look bad. Again, my goal isn't to slander anyone or try to make CsB into this nasty hitler clan, but you guys are turning blind eyes to the abuse of eachother.

If someone had asked StH to post a standard for kicks and bans I'm sure that a lot of the abuse would've been solved on east 4-5 years ago. However nobody rallied behind such an idea.

If you want, I can provide those replays for you, if you'd give me an email. Note how they haven't defended themselves in this thread, because I don't believe they could defend themselves especially when they know they are guilty.

I'm talking to you because I believe you're the most reasonable person in CsB, and I hope that they would follow your example. If you want we could work on such standards for kicks and bans together!

That's what I'm proposing now, and I don't see how any harm could come from that, do you?

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2013, 02:41:01 am »
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If you want, I can provide those replays for you, if you'd give me an email. Note how they haven't defended themselves in this thread, because I don't believe they could defend themselves especially when they know they are guilty.

I'm talking to you because I believe you're the most reasonable person in CsB, and I hope that they would follow your example. If you want we could work on such standards for kicks and bans together!

That's what I'm proposing now, and I don't see how any harm could come from that, do you?
- Celestial_One

Send them to sheeptagtop5@live.com, it will suffice.

I would be willing to create standards for kicks and bans.

Under the condition that all of this non-sense propaganda regarding CsB is trashed on the forums.

In the future, once these standards are created and implemented. Any player that disobeys these rules will be punished. (punishments will be agreed upon)

However, until a future offense is made, I demand CsB to be relinquished from all the presently acclaimed "crimes".

Only then will I agree to create these "rules and standards".

Otherwise, i do not see any productivity happening with these posts, no actions will be taken, and i will most likely start to /ignore them.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 02:42:37 am by Spoofy »

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Re: CsB Chronicles
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2013, 01:37:34 pm »
to hawkys, I know the game you are talking about,
and I was actually on skype with both Simba and Baiten.
Simba decided to kick you then baiten said "now hawkys blaming me in /whisper, I tell him its you who kicked him" then simba said "ok ill say that you said if you don't kick i remove your access".
Simba was just lying to this point.

 

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