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EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« on: November 02, 2013, 04:27:54 am »
what an extremely vague statement. without CsB sheeptag would not be active at the moment. also, for the most part the players we ban, we have good reason to ban. a simple analogy, people hate on cops, they trash talk them and call them idiots, but when they are no longer there, everything goes to chaos.
Exiling banning and kicking people from games and/or major channels(SoR/CsB/Behh/StH) is a serious offence. The only people who should have positions of power within these channels and/or games should be mature and cool headed. Not Some raged up 13 year old spoilt, **** of a girl having her first period all over her dads face.

Exiling people who are deliberately not adding any value and hindering the community I have no problem with, nor should anyone else. For example Jaspur: He should be exiled, he does not like Sheep Tag, he wont play it, he has no reason to be anywhere near the community now he's started warbotting. If you're friends with him fine, he's not allowed in our channels, nor our games. There will be no second chance for him. He'll be banned until he's 18 and can think in a mature fashion(Maybe 21).

Exiling people like Hawkeys and Tollison is not allowed and should be ceased immediately. I'm not saying what they have done in the past is inexcusable, however indefinitely banning them is out of the question.

To ban someone indefinitely for what some people would consider "Game ruining" without giving them a proper chance is taking one player away from a game that is currently populated with 50 active Sheep Taggers.
You are also banning upon personal grievances and to take that a step further you will simply kick a person for not being as good or not liking that person. Now this attitude is a disease in Sheep Tag, because what you are effectively doing is excluding people from games, which makes them want to leave. If they do leave then we have less than what we do now. Eventually there will be 12 sheep taggers actively playing because that's all that can fit into a game. Wouldn't it be better if we could have say 5 st parties going on at the same time?! I have another plan to fix this in another thread located here

The following is the plan for a controlled banning system
Game ruining can be as follows:
1. Deliberately tking your sheep member(This can be joking around, but if the person you are doing it to doesn't enjoy this joke, he can report you).
2. Going afk as Shepherd because you are bored. If it's for a legitimate reason, then ask for permission, it will be granted, otherwise if permission is not granted you can be reported.
3. Leaving before fair is done, If a few Sheep haven't had a turn in the game, and someone has to go, that person is allowed to leave, provided that he tells the rest of the people in the game and is genuin. That person will not be allowed in the remake though, because that person had to leave. Otherwise if it isn't a scenario like that one then you can be reported.
4. Deliberately letting Sheep pass you, if you are complaining the whole game and then let a sheep pass you and you have no lag etc.. You can be reported.
5. Pausing during Run ST(Run Tag) intervals in hopes to kill said Run ster(Run tagger).
6. Saving during Run St(Run Tag) intervals in hopes to kill said Run ster(Run tagger).
ALSO NOTE THIS LIST ISN'T COMPLETE THESE ARE THE ONLY SCENARIOS THAT I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT, SHOULD ANYONE ELSE POSE ONE THAT SOUNDS LOGICAL, IT WILL BE ADDED TO THIS LIST.

Warning: If you request a ban on a player and the majority on the forums agree that it was insufficient to warrant a ban, the person who instigated this ban is now not allowed to report/bans for the rest of the night. So be careful before you deem it bannable. If there are repeat offences of this happening that person will not allowed to report bans for 48 hours, each time doubling until you are no longer capable of making any decisions in this area at all.

Short term, one game bans
From now on, no matter who you are, whether you are a leader in this community or Hawkeys, if you deliberately ruin a game and everyone agrees that you did, you're not allowed in the remake, A short 1 game ban.

In order for this ban to happen the replay and time location of the deliberate ruin must be posted on these forums as soon as possible. I'm sure I can get Sidey to put together a section for it. You may commence the one game ban immediately(before waiting for people on the forum to agree) that's only provided that the majority in the game agree(Take screen shot of the majority agreeing). You must upload the replay asap.

Midterm bans, Two days - One week bans
In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences of game ruining and ruined the game more than once and are currently a casual game ruiner. Once again the replay must be submitted and the time of the offence posted, a short 1 game ban will commence immediately, the rest of the ban will commence after the replay has been checked by a few on this forum. Or 80% of people who were in that game. Screen shots of the people agreeing must be posted here. In order to get the one game ban.

Longterm bans Two weeks - One month
In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences of game ruining, be a casual game ruiner and have had the midterm bans placed upon you already with no improvements. The same steps of reporting these bans are to be followed from the midterm ban steps. Once again these bans aren't immediately enforced, they are only enforced after the replay has been submitted, only a short one game ban will be enforced until then.

Additional information about the controlled system
ALL BANNED PLAYERS AREN'T EXILED FROM THE COMMUNITY, NOR WILL THEY EVER BE, They still may participate in games provided that
a: no one else is on to join the game and it's not full, if they are and they want to join, that spot that the banned player occupies is now that other players.
b: everyone in the game agrees(100% of people agree he can play, this player may need to do a lot of ass licking).

These players may also reside in channels, if they abuse their time in the channels then they may be kicked from said channel and/or banned. But they wont be booted from the channel based on something that happened in a game.

Ban appeals for mid - long term bans may be heard and it's up to the community to judge whether you've learned your lesson.

Anyone who kicks a person for another person should have bot access removed immediately.
Anyone caught banning people without any justification once again will have bot access removed immediately.
All replays/the time of the offence and the picture must be posted before any banning commences.

Edit: Added Rule Scenario 5 and 6.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2013, 07:48:58 pm by Alph4bet »

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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2013, 04:28:40 am »
HAVING SAID THIS, FREE HAWKEYS, HE'S LEARNED HIS LESSON!
Also pola, stop booting Tollison otherwise CMK will remove you from the bot access.

Having said this, I have replays of you ruining games pola, I am willing to post them if need be, but i'd rather us just start off fresh.
EVERYONE!!!!
« Last Edit: November 02, 2013, 05:06:19 am by Alph4bet »

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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2013, 05:04:24 am »
We need more people like you, Alpha.  Nothing but reason comes out of you.


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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 11:46:49 am »
WHAT?
Letting sheep pass = being reported?
Like really?
We human beings, we are not flawless, everyone makes mistakes.

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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 04:49:06 pm »
WHAT?
Letting sheep pass = being reported?
Like really?
We human beings, we are not flawless, everyone makes mistakes.


Deliberately letting Sheep pass you

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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 08:24:02 pm »
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Exiling banning and kicking people from games and/or major channels(SoR/CsB/Behh/StH) is a serious offence. The only people who should have positions of power within these channels and/or games should be mature and cool headed. Not Some raged up 13 year old spoilt, **** of a girl having her first period all over her dads face.
-sheepgod

response: exiling and banning players from their bots is their choice. for example, i own hiddensand, i pay (REAL $$) for the bot, i am allowed to ban who i want. however, players may deem this "hitler" or "community wrecker". But i rarely ban players, and if i do, i have justification for the ban whether its a personal or community-involved ban. And again, its a bot i pay for with actual money. on the other hand, i will agree that its a serious offence when a player who does not own the bot kicks/bans players for no reason.

i have never banned or kicked anyone from CsB channel. only things i have kicked from CsB is jaspur bots and ghod bots, or other spammers.  i may pretend to act like a raging mongo in game, but for the most part i am completely calm. ask anyone who i TS with, i am only joking 99% of the time. i am just going to ignore the last part of your sentence, disgusting.

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Exiling people like Hawkeys and Tollison is not allowed and should be ceased immediately. I'm not saying what they have done in the past is inexcusable, however indefinitely banning them is out of the question.
-sheepgod

response: i exiled hawkys. i NEVER exiled tollison. also, hawkys very easily could have been unbanned, all i asked for was an apology. "sorry" is the not hard to type, especially for a mature person. however, hawkys is not mature and it took him almost two months to say "sorry" in chat, other times i asked for an apology he would flame like a mongoloid.



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The following is the plan for a controlled banning system
Game ruining can be as follows:
1. Deliberately tking your sheep member(This can be joking around, but if the person you are doing it to doesn't enjoy this joke, he can report you).
2. Going afk as Shepherd because you are bored. If it's for a legitimate reason, then ask for permission, it will be granted, otherwise if permission is not granted you can be reported.
3. Leaving before fair is done, If one Sheep hasn't had a turn and it's got 10 players in the game, and someone has to go, that person is allowed to leave, provided that he tells the rest of the people in the game. That person will not be allowed in the remake though, because that person had to leave. Otherwise if it isn't a scenario like that one then you can be reported.
4. Deliberately letting Sheep pass you, if you are complaining the whole game and then let a sheep pass you and you have no lag etc.. You can be reported.
ALSO NOTE THIS LIST ISN'T COMPLETE THESE ARE THE ONLY SCENARIOS THAT I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT, SHOULD ANYONE ELSE POSE ONE THAT SOUNDS LOGICAL, IT WILL BE ADDED TO THIS LIST.

Warning: If you request a ban on a player and the majority on the forums agree that it was insufficient to warrant a ban, the person who instigated this ban is now not allowed to report/bans for the rest of the night. So be careful before you deem it bannable. If there are repeat offences of this happening that person will not allowed to report bans for 48 hours, each time doubling until you are no longer capable of making any decisions in this area at all.

Short term, one game bans
From now on, no matter who you are, whether you are a leader in this community or Hawkeys, if you deliberately ruin a game and everyone agrees that you did, you're not allowed in the remake, A short 1 game ban.

In order for this ban to happen the replay and time location of the deliberate ruin must be posted on these forums as soon as possible. I'm sure I can get Sidey to put together a section for it. You may commence the one game ban immediately(before waiting for people on the forum to agree) that's only provided that the majority in the game agree(Take screen shot of the majority agreeing). You must upload the replay asap.

Midterm bans, Two days - One week bans
In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences of game ruining and ruined the game more than once and are currently a casual game ruiner. Once again the replay must be submitted and the time of the offence posted, a short 1 game ban will commence immediately, the rest of the ban will commence after the replay has been checked by a few on this forum. Or 80% of people who were in that game. Screen shots of the people agreeing must be posted here. In order to get the one game ban.

Longterm bans Two weeks - One month
In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences of game ruining, be a casual game ruiner and have had the midterm bans placed upon you already with no improvements. The same steps of reporting these bans are to be followed from the midterm ban steps. Once again these bans aren't immediately enforced, they are only enforced after the replay has been submitted, only a short one game ban will be enforced until then.

Additional information about the controlled system
ALL BANNED PLAYERS AREN'T EXILED FROM THE COMMUNITY, NOR WILL THEY EVER BE, They still may participate in games provided that
a: no one else is on to join the game and it's not full, if they are and they want to join, that spot that the banned player occupies is now that other players.
b: everyone in the game agrees(100% of people agree he can play, this player may need to do a lot of ass licking).

These players may also reside in channels, if they abuse their time in the channels then they may be kicked from said channel and/or banned. But they wont be booted from the channel based on something that happened in a game.

Ban appeals for mid - long term bans may be heard and it's up to the community to judge whether you've learned your lesson.

Anyone who kicks a person for another person should have bot access removed immediately.
Anyone caught banning people without any justification once again will have bot access removed immediately.
All replays/the time of the offence and the picture must be posted before any banning commences.
-sheepgod

response: i do not see anyone following this plan of action for bans. its too complex for the community to follow. we are barely getting replays sent in for sheep tag top5 plays. all the best and good luck though.



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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 08:30:58 pm »
Spoofy, note that I wholly agree that since you pay for your bot, you can do anything you really want with it, as this is essentially the same argument I made that since I was the map developer, I could do anything I wanted with the map.

However, realize that your hostbot exists within a context. If you wish them to be viewed as "community" bots rather "personal" bots, then rules should apply to them. Realize that, in the past, bots had been monopolized many times over, and when they get too abusive, it is common to switch to new bots (Behh to WhiS, WhiS to free market, etc). You can lose more than just your monopoly.

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 09:58:05 pm »
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Spoofy, note that I wholly agree that since you pay for your bot, you can do anything you really want with it, as this is essentially the same argument I made that since I was the map developer, I could do anything I wanted with the map.

However, realize that your hostbot exists within a context. If you wish them to be viewed as "community" bots rather "personal" bots, then rules should apply to them. Realize that, in the past, bots had been monopolized many times over, and when they get too abusive, it is common to switch to new bots (Behh to WhiS, WhiS to free market, etc). You can lose more than just your monopoly.
- chakra

yes, i understand your point chakra, boycotting my bot is a simple solution to the so called "hitler" of banning 1 player. it would be much like boycotting your updated maps if you were to ignore players opinions. i will take into consideration making rules and i will also start to monitor players actions in banning/kicking, admins will be removed if they are being abusive.

however, i will defend myself, and i will defend most of CsB, i am not afraid to refute a players comment because they have a "title" in this community. sheepgod made a very vague statement. its stereo-typing when you consider ALL CsB players to be hitler, or any other form of derogatory title.



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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2013, 10:06:37 pm »
Spoofy its not like u didnt flame me also, and u let many people stay banned. However you now let me play and i hope we can play st in peace together

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2013, 12:14:14 pm »
Sheepgod made a very vague statement. its stereo-typing when you consider ALL CsB players to be hitler, or any other form of derogatory title.
Such statement was not said in this topic. Such statement was said before two or three comments were deleted from my map development topic, where they were calling me a Hitler map maker, stating they would boycott the map, not telling me what they think is wrong and why those changes are for the bad. Not holding any real debate about the subject, nor the willingness to test it(Btw I'm not talking about JM, he brought his fears and attempted to tell me what they were, hence why his comments weren't removed.). When the community is at an all time low, to have this negativity only deters me. These few idiots have already chased away heaps of people who care about this game. Also from observation after seeing that you do have a monopoly on the game hosting market, people in csb are booting for no reason. CMK isn't, wasn't calling him Hitler, or you Spoofy. Was calling the few in CsB who were. Where these people who are in a power position tend to abuse said power for no valid reason.

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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2013, 01:17:52 pm »
What do we do with people who use namespoof and make a bad image of the person they are namespoofing?
e.g. Polar played as Tollison and ruined and teamkilled us during the game.

 

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