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Re: Cele's Everything About Dota Thread.
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2013, 04:15:34 am »
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Midas can instantly kill some enemy summons like necronomicons (and you don't take dmg)
this doesn't work now.

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Also, are you asking questions to troll/mock me, because it seems like you missed a lot of what I've already said. Dunno, did you even read my response to your first questions lol
no. obviously i got my own answers to all of the questions in this thread. just trying to figure out if there is something i've overlooked that you can shed some light on. trying to expand my knowledge of the game :D



anyway, i'll summarize the questions if someone else wants to try answering:

1) How to assess whether it's better to go for midas, or go for meka/force/drums/etc? As carry, how to assess which is worth more; midas vs other items that increase your farm/gpm?

2) how do we calculate when the midas pays off? i've already mentioned 2 important factors that cele didn't include in his calculation (the worth of gold decreases over time, and a portion of the gold you gain from midas is gold you'd get without the midas too).

i've never heard fulfilling answers to these questions. people usually answer 1) by appealing to what pros do, and the answer to 2) is some half-assed calculation that excludes critical factors. usually it goes

190 gold*10 uses=1900 gold
10 uses*100 sec=16 minutes
therefore; you start earning gold after 16 minutes of having the midas!



another problem with the midas is the expected return. let's assume that:

1) you start being profitable 16 minutes after getting the midas (which is an overstatement).
2) you get midas at min 9.
3) games last 45 min.

after the 25 min mark, you'll start earning ~120 bonus gold per minute. this means that the expected return on the midas is ~2500 gold AT the 45 min mark. 800 extra gold if you sell the item right before the game ends.

is the extra 2500 gold at minute 45 worth postponing meka/forcestaff/yasha/drums early? or even postponing your core items by a portion of time? does the 2500 gold at min 45 make NEARLY as much impact on the game as 1900 gold at minute 9?

anyway, those are some of my thoughts/questions about the item :D BIG LICKS to anyone who's able to answer my questions/demonstrate why the item is worth getting without appealing to what pros do!
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