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nice post cele. i'd normally tap you on the head and say "tatta' boy " and leave the thread, but here are some questions based on your post, for the sake of keeping the information flowing. im not trying to frustrate you or dissagree with you, just wanna get more insight. i hope you dont mind

Your team is controlling the pace of the game. What does this mean? It means you're the ones with the early lead, applying pressure, and making the enemy team react. This basically means your team has superior map control.

wouldn't it be better to capitalize on the advantage you got in such a scenario (and try to dominate/end early), rather than reducing your advantage by getting items that payoff long-term, as it gives the enemies a window of opportunity to catch up?

Your potential lategame beats their potential lategame. This means that your way of winning the game later, whether due to superior teamfight, pushing, or just being able to manmode the fawk out of them *should* beat whatever the enemy team can throw at you lategame.

this commonly (although not necessarily) means that your early/mid game is weaker than the opponents, as you probably have 1-2 or more heroes that are very item-dependant. wouldn't you be putting yourself at an even bigger disadvantage by getting midas in such a situation, rather than rushing survivability/core items on the heroes that need these items to function? in other words, you're increasing the likelyhood of getting bulldozed before it reaches lategame by investing in midases, when your team needs certain items to function.

for instance if you're spectre, and the enemy team has 0 carries. it's almost guaranteed victory if it reaches lategame and you got your items. but since the enemy don't have carries, they have early/mid-game oriented heroes. should i get midas on my spec, and pray that my team can fight them back 4v5? or should i go straight into survivability/dmg, for instance vanguard into radience or something along those lines, so i can contribute to the team as soon as possible?

If the enemy team is focusing you down pretty hard, or you're unable to keep gold for a long period of time. This typically means you've died a lot, your farm is really bad, and you're not profiting much from early fights. It is usually better to get other survivability items such as bracer into drums, urn, force, or meka since these items are a lot easier to farm and are strongest early in the game.

Isn't this a scenario where you should get midas, given the reliable gold it provides? if you're dying constantly, you're likely losing the gold you farm up, whereas a midas would put the gold safely in your bank. i thought reliable gold was one of the biggest reasons to get the midas, but why would reliable gold matter in a game where you're not dying/losing gold, and you're farming just fine?



to summarize my claims:
1) sometimes good to skip midas if your team is controlling the show and you're already ahead
2) sometimes good to skip midas if your team is stronger lategame (assuming that this means the enemy is stronger early/midgame)
3) sometimes good to get midas when you're behind and can't farm properly, as a ''catch-up'' tool.

are these claims true?

and if the claims are true, given the uncertain nature of dota games, doesn't it mean that you can never know whether it will be good to get midas or not, regardless of what situation you're in?

and if THAT is true, it means that we can't assess whether it's better to go for midas or for meka? in other words, it's a G4MBLE of hell, and we have no rational basis for getting midas other than copying what pros currently do in pro games

keep the legend answers flowing cele!