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Kinda confused at this debate as people are currently legally allowed to live wherever they please if they go through the proper guidelines. So whats this debate about? People being allowed to live wherever they please w/o paper work? Cause if so then you would have total anarchy.

If everyone within their own continent protected and used their resources at hand you would see a tremendous exploration in science that would revolutionize the world due to accessibility to worldwide news for every developed country. 

Illegal migration to a country is not acceptable because of assimilation purely.  It takes time to adapt as one culture and to become prosperous people of society.

Legal migration is great for a secular society to take place, but I believe that before you move elsewhere you must adapt to their culture first.

Americans like one arms distance between each other.  Arabians like to be close together.  I've seen the difference in culture with my own eyes, real life, and not from just videos and pictures.  Both of them must adapt to each others culture before associating with each other so they have a solid understanding of each other. 

My point is with immigration: It's good for society, but only if there can be no possible illegal immigration.  USA has the ability to defend it's borders 100% from foreign attacks and illegal immigration.  USA has the most efficient and advanced military you can have on this planet.  Most adults in the USA are politically unaware and therefore don't comprehend what makes a society prosper.  USA just does things because it can now and it's a horrendous site to see.  USA should be exposed for many war crimes against humanity as many others should be as well, but this is beside the my point.

Until we all as a human race have a foundation that we can base our beliefs upon we will forever be in war with each other.  Morality is a broader issue to discuss, but I believe a prosperous moral standpoint is the basis to all that prosperity, and I believe that is what we should be talking about rather than immigration.

Many people, 100x more knowledgeable than you and I, believe that morality is the key issue in modern society that needs to be addressed.  Everything else is just fuel to fire.

My post is more relevant to your topic than all that has been said.

migration shouldn't be free and you agree with me. 

If migration was free it would require no obligations to the migration.  Free as defined by Wordnik:  Not controlled by obligation or the will of another. "Felt free to go"

Therefore if there are no obligations that means no taxes and no legal process by which they, the migrants, have to go through leading to common societal and assimilation problems that could be eliminated by the preservation of its own culture.

Nothing is free.  Everything is a privilege.  We must pay a price to defend our special privileges.

To address your question to my post: The reason why migrants should adopt to the culture of where they plan to be at any given moment is because it's respectful, courteous, and just.  This can be justified by the two cultures clashing together and the original culture rising to the top as it always does and always has been.  Why cause problems in the first place when you could just adapt to your soon to be common culture and live and learn to be prosperous as you see fit?

Free migration = migrants having the ability to not be controlled by obligation or the will of another.

If you can't accept these terms then you are not eligible to argue in your own debate.

Instead you must come up with your own.  What do you mean by free migration?

To adopt a culture before encountering it is to understand that that is the most peaceful position you can take.  If two cultures clash together, which is possible for just about every culture, that is not peace.

That is warefare.  When warefare begins your qualitative forces are put below your quantitative forces to achieve victory whether it be physical or mental warefare.  Whichever has the biggest and best weapons for the fight will win. Not which ones are the more quality human being.

America is a very diverse place full of different cultures, but most follow the American culture in the public eye for they see it fit in their position.  In America it is our cultural language to use English and to speak in a clear and concise accent.  This isn't needed but is a must if you want to carry on in depth conversations with ease.  You will stay one arms distance from us or we will feel threatened.  There is no reason in our minds as to why you should come up to us and give us hugs unless previously knowing you.  It's a safety precaution.

To answer your last question: Very well.

"Tollison, you obviously have no idea how language work. Almost no words have just 1 meaning, the important thing is that we understand what the other part mean with it."
There is an accepted overall definition of words, shoop.  If we based words on our own belief of what it means then we can not share the same thoughts O.o.

"We have told you several times exacly what we mean with free immigration, if its too much for your brain to handle we make up a word for it instead. Lets call it zebra2. Are you in favour of zebra2 or not?"
Yes but unless you come up with your own terms instead of calling it free immigration you will cease to be productive in the debate.  You're not arguing for free immigration.  You're talking about how to make due process legal migration as cheap as possible so we can roam the world as freely as possible.  If you want to discuss free immigration then say so.

"I already speak english and most swedes do when we try to communicate with people who dont know swedish so thats not really adopting your culture. Its something I already do, and it also seems to me to be rational reasons to do it."
I never correlated American culture to those that aren't going to live here.  What is communication a part of, Shoop?

"I am the one advocating a rational, moral, approach (regardless if you are an immigrant or someone born in the country), you are the one suggesting everyone should adopt some "culture" you cant explain what it is. Except language. But yeah in general I think its great that immigrants learn the language of where they are going, but not because "they should adopt the culture", but because its reasonable to make communication easier. Also, where the **** do you think people walk around giving people they dont know hugs?"

Claiming you're arguing for the rational and moral approach against your opponent doesn't prove you're arguing for the rational and moral approach against your opponent.  It proves you're defending yourself in time of need of more information to convey what you could actually say instead of using the very same words you're trying to prove to be.

Culture: The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products.  In Rome do as the Romans do or you're susceptible to offending them.  Simple as that.

Communication and language is a part of what, Shoop?

I don't think that there is a place where people walk around giving each other hugs of complete strangers.  I know so.  Check the difference between know and think, Shoop.  To name a few places, Kuwait, not as much for Kuwait anymore, Dubai, not so much for Dubai anymore, Sharm El Sheik, Cairo, Luxor, Jordan, Petra, etc.  Arabian places.  By the way did you know if you offend someone in their respective place they are allowed to physically damage you or possibly kill you?  If you're caught stealing in some places you're liable to having your hand chopped off?

If you disrespect me in my home I will ask you to leave.  If you decide to cause a ruckus I'll shoot you.  I won't deal with a psychopath.  It isn't in my nature to accept you unless you abide by my rules or whatever rules governing the area.  If the rules are not followed one of us will be punished for our wrong doings. 

It's all very simple to me.  Thanks for asking.

I just didn't want to read what everyone else was talking about and wanted to directly attack the issue.  Which should be possible without hinderance if you would use correct terminology.

Applying to my country I agree with them coming over on the conditions that they respect our culture and pay whatever is due for them to come and go as they please.  It's good for the economy.

You and I agree?

Obviously the borders will still be controlled

Yeah makes no since so Shoop is against immigration? I'm confused free immigration means you go wherever whenever. You just want to make it easier to get green card or? It's already pretty damn easy to get a green card.

I understand perfectly what Shoop is arguing for by "free immigration," and if you don't, you honestly don't keep up with current political topics/events.

Free immigration literally means, "free to immigrate." That doesn't grant you explicit ability to ignore laws, such as taxes, fees, etc. It means you go through a reasonable amount of paperwork to go to any country you wish, with some expected caveats (criminals, etc). Quotas on countries/regions of origins, taxes/fees for immigration filing/transportation beyond reason, long queues, etc, are limits on free immigration.

Shoop might disagree with some of the specifics, but that is the general idea. Cultural adaptations beyond law is simply optional.