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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2013, 09:59:58 am »
Divisions/leagues are stupid in a ranking system. Should either use a hard rank number (can separate into region if you want), perhaps an ELO, or a percentile.
There was an ELO system, but they changed it into this.
And I agree with BEER no w/l or rating = no competitive **** with your friends to brag about.

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2013, 12:39:04 pm »
1) there is w/l and competetive in Dota2. people have a chance to make their statistics private though, to avoid being stalked after every game they play. most people don't put their profile on private, and you can see W/L on third party sources, as well as peoples history, their records, friends they play with. you can also see various ranks "highest winrate/most games played", you can see history and w/l of all teams(amateur teams too). wots de problem? what exactly is it dota2 doesn't have that you're so dependant on?

you didn't mind that sheeptag didn't have a ranking for all these years? these "objective rankings" are usually bullshit anyway and can be manipulated easily, such as the DotaCash rankings where low players managed to get ranks they didn't deserve by a longshot. but yeah, for all "competing with friends and sharing stats" purposes; dota2 fills all requirements.


2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a larger playerbase.


3) i have no question that itio got the highest skillbracket in our community, based on some of the opponents i've seen him face. but as I already pointed out in 1), stuff like this can easily be manipulated. if you play with pro friends for instance, you'll get to brackets you don't belong in, and if you play with trash friends, you'll get in brackets below what you'd be in if you played by yourself. it also depends on how hard you try. some people only pick the heroes that are considered strong/''overpowered'' in the current version of the games, while others only play heroes that have fun spells. then you have people who play -random most of their game. all of this (there are other ways too) influences what bracket you get in.
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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2013, 03:42:41 pm »
2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a larger playerbase.
Do know that this only works in the early levels, when you are level 30 you can start playing ranked and you'll get matched with people > 600 games so "cheating" doesnt have any effect anymore.

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2013, 08:01:25 pm »
ROFL ITIO??? Your skill bracket is higher than mine? I've seen the people you match... I just never play on my own anymore but I've been in very high for ages. Not that means anything you still get trash and idiots on your team. But yeah I'm pretty sure Valve is working out something soon because they've just taken away the Normal, High and Very High.
i already explained how i know im in the highest skill bracket lol. im frequently on the top page with a lot of spectators, which i highly doubt u ever were

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2013, 02:28:24 am »
2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a larger playerbase.

Your perception of how much paying money affects game play in League of Legends is absurd. The only thing you can buy are Champions/Skins. Skins = Do nothing for you in-game other in appearance. Buying Champions does NOTHING for you if you are not good with that Champion. Every Champion is suppose to be "Balanced" and the price of a champion does not effect how strong that champion is. Runes/Stat upgrades can only be purchased with IP and typically once you reach LVL 30 you have earned enough IP to buy the best Runes.

And I agree with you on the fact that easier games are played by more people. If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2013, 02:57:24 am »
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If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.
This is a completely invalid argument. Pong is less played than DotA, is that because it's harder?

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2013, 04:42:02 am »
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If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.
This is a completely invalid argument. Pong is less played than DotA, is that because it's harder?

Just saying what amir said. And maybe yes pong could be extremely hard .

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2013, 05:40:49 am »
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yes pong could be extremely hard
Depends on your definition of "hard." I imagine post people would consider difficulty of getting into (in which it is near zero), the skill curve (IDK), and the competition (IDK).

Easy games aren't simply more popular than harder games. Sheep Tag is extremely different than other games in which the the two teams are fundamentally different and the number of players on each team weren't equal nor linearly balanced (2v4 compared to 4v8). This makes it more foreign, innovative to learn, etc. DotA was pretty standard.

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2013, 07:04:49 pm »
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Your perception of how much paying money affects game play in League of Legends is absurd. The only thing you can buy are Champions/Skins. Skins = Do nothing for you in-game other in appearance. Buying Champions does NOTHING for you if you are not good with that Champion. Every Champion is suppose to be "Balanced" and the price of a champion does not effect how strong that champion is. Runes/Stat upgrades can only be purchased with IP and typically once you reach LVL 30 you have earned enough IP to buy the best Runes.

And I agree with you on the fact that easier games are played by more people. If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.


you have to buy runes in LoL. i've already covered how paying real money or grinding gives you advantages in LoL. i never stated how big these advantages are because i don't know, but they exist.

i also specificied in what way LoL is easier than dota. argument was not that "easier game = more played than hard game", but instead that it seems like the masses prefer online games where you can ''grind'' for advantages (WoW, LoL, etc) rather than your winrate being entirely decided by your skill. similar to how most gamers like to spend money on gaming gear (''gaming mice'' etc.) that supposedly give them an edge ingame, even though the edge is miniscule for the price you pay. people don't like losing, they enjoy/aim at being the best, and for the vast majority of players, "grinding"/"pay-for-advantage" type games are the only way they can reach this.

just trying to explain how LoL can have a bigger playerbase without being a better game. i think someone mentioned LoL having a bigger playerbase than dota2 (assumably as an argument infavor for LoL).
« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 07:13:58 pm by Chiefhero[sks] »
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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2013, 08:29:40 pm »
What you are saying makes since Amir.

On top of that I believe LoL has a larger player base because of how much the shitty ass company Riot (creators of LoL) baby the community. Its quite obnoxious how ridiculously babied every LoL player is when it comes to trash talking/flaming etc. In Dota 2 there is VoIP which already makes Valve 10 times better then Riot. Also Valve actually knows how to create a game client. Riot's client is a piece of **** thrown together on Adobe. Overall I think Dota 2 is a much better designed game by a much better company. Riot is one of the worst companies in the world and I can't wait to see it die out once everyone gets out of this MOBA gaming mentality.

On the Runes/Champions grinding thing. You said some people like to "grind" for "advantages", but I actually believe some people like to "grind" to actually earn something. In Dota 2 there is nothing to play for. There is nothing you earn from winning. For me I do not care about this ****, but many people do like to "earn" something for playing.

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2013, 08:31:16 pm »
just trying to explain how LoL can have a bigger playerbase without being a better game. i think someone mentioned LoL having a bigger playerbase than dota2 (assumably as an argument infavor for LoL).
League of Legends 2012:
http://www.destructoid.com/league-of-legends-has-32-million-monthly-active-players-236618.phtml
Dota 2 - 3 months ago:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1j6uyw/5_milliion_unique_dota_2_players/

Speaks for itself doesnt it, lol.

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2013, 10:44:38 pm »
mappy, im not arguing that it isn't true, but that it doesn't make the game better (alternative explenation provided).

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On the Runes/Champions grinding thing. You said some people like to "grind" for "advantages", but I actually believe some people like to "grind" to actually earn something. In Dota 2 there is nothing to play for. There is nothing you earn from winning. For me I do not care about this ****, but many people do like to "earn" something for playing.

so once you gather the runes -> you've won LoL? no point in playing anymore? or how would this work exactly?

point is that you can grind "unfair" advantages in LoL (extra movementspeed on your hero etc). you can play for money in dota2, you can play for collectable items, you can play for achievements, you can play to reach the top of the ranks (on third party sources), you can play to improve, or simply play to have fun/win games.

playing for runes is like playing for maphack in sheeptag. once you've played 5000 games on CMK's bot, you're allowed to maphack (others aren't). thats principally what runes are, but ofcourse the advantage is much smaller. it's nasty. there are many things to play for and ''earn'' in both LoL and Dota2, grinding advantages is a different story. when comparing dota2 and LoL, the ability to ''buy/grind advantages" is a minuspoint to LoL in my eyes (and hopefully yours too).
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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2013, 01:20:20 am »
you can play for money in dota2, you can play for collectable items, you can play for achievements, you can play to reach the top of the ranks (on third party sources), you can play to improve, or simply play to have fun/win games.

You can play LoL for all those reasons to. I do prefer Dota 2s mentality of giving everyone every Hero right from the start. The only problem with this is beginners are thrown into a Hero pool of over 100 and have no clue what to do I.E they might play a very advanced Hero on accident and dislike the game afterwards. This is awesome IMO get rid of the weak. Unfortunately in LoL, Riot likes to baby all the players and only let newbies pick from a pool of about 8 Champions. Overall Riot has the RP/IP system as a means of monetary gain and to be gentle to the retards.

EDIT: I put some quotes from Amir on the League of Legends subreddit to see what they had to say about Runes/Champions making you better http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1n7mm4/league_of_legends_paygrind_to_win/
« Last Edit: September 27, 2013, 01:44:12 am by XXXandBEER »

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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2013, 04:53:17 am »
dota2 has a tutorial and recommends heroes for new players. LoL restricts you to 8-10 heroes per week even when uve played 10000 games (as far as i know). LoL and DotA2 are similar, but LoL is worse at everything that's different about the games. i haven't heard 1 good reason for choosing LoL over dota2 yet.



everyone on reddit agreed with me apart form a few braindead americans (despite the fact that you quoted me out of context of our debate instead of linking the whole ****). ive heard similar objections before. "everyone can get all the runes if they play alot!"   "you're just handicapping yourself by not paying for runes, not giving yourself and advantage by buying them!" etc.


so, i don't want to keep this going for years, i've told everyone why i think dota2 is better than LoL. everything i've said appears to be correct. bring me reasons to why LoL is better than dota2 if you wanna continue debaten. ADIUSS.
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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2013, 04:56:56 am »
What makes you think I am debating that LoL is better than Dota 2? Almost everything I have said is me saying LoL sucks and Riot is a **** company, because it is. The debate is about why LoL has more players than Dota 2, but yeah I'm bored of this as well. That reddit thread was funny you are Rebelsmark no?

 

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