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Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« on: October 25, 2013, 09:16:49 pm »
A) remove the quote system

or

B) make it into a thread or some shiit instead of having it as an "official headline" for the community forum. it can make a new post for every "good quote" it detects, or just update the same post continuously. im confident such a script/code/whatever is easily created by the people who're hostbot legends around here.



people like beeeh are refusing to contribute to the forum because the quote system represents something "official" on the forums, claims to be unbiased and automatic, but we can never know whether the quotes are hand-picked to put certain people in a bad light, or whether they are automatically chosen.

the other problem is that it limits contribution on Bnet as well, where people are restricted in saying certain things about certain people due to the possibility of it being displayed on the forum. As much as people HATE to admit this; most people do care about their reputation, and want to be able to say stuff in a channel without it being displayed for people it wasn't intended to be displayed for. this problem persist even if we're guaranteed an unbiased quote-picking system, and encourages /F m and whisper parties. it certainly has affected me when wanting to flame someone who wasn't in the channel.

that's why i think alternative A) is the best choice, even though i fully trust that the quote-system is automatic and unbiased. I hope you guys will support this, the value of having beeeh etc on the forum FAR outweights the 1/50 good quotes we see on top of the forum, which most of us probably read on bnet originally as well.

the quote party even loses all it's meaning if it's automatic, as it's essentially impossible to create a proper formula for finding ''valuable quotes''. change the formula to picking a random quote every 30 minutes and noone will even notice...get rid of it, time for freedom on bnet and more posters on the forum.
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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2013, 10:14:04 pm »
Beeeh has never brought anything to value to any forum I've ever been with him.

However, I agree the rest of Amir's post. Remove the quote system!

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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2013, 01:06:04 am »
I sometimes censor myself in the Behh-channel because I know single quotes might be taken out of context and put on the top of the forum, making me look like an idiot.

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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2013, 01:45:12 am »
Beeeh- boycotting is not a good argument as far as I'm concerned (even beyond the crazy reasons he has).

Now does the quote function limit 'openness' and the way people express themselves on Bnet? I don't think so. The same argument would apply to any type of bot that records conversation. In fact, I think the argument would be far stronger for the removal of bots - since they record the context as well (giving the owner the option to keep or remove the context and then use that information). We all know that whatever we say has and will be used against us by botloggers. The quote function simply picks certain quotes according to a formula out of all the input in the channel - input that is already recorded and stored to be used against you should someone seek to.

At the same time, it's a function I really like. I think the quotes are great material and they often make me smile - just an hour or so ago Trollpro had some crazy quote about "CsB Airport Pissers" :D It offers a lot of value as far as I'm concerned. The issue, as I see it, is possibly rather that the function is biased towards other clan channels - but then again we should all hopefully be striving to have a single large channel for our community.

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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2013, 01:53:24 am »
It limits how I (and possibly others) express myself because I DONT want things into the Elder Scrolls.

It changes how people express themselves (current quote for instance, "yeeee shoop trollpro sickchikens really chaise a toilet lol ^^ rofl trashens - Rival[behh]") because they WANT to get into the Elder Scrolls.

The issue is beyound that chat is being recorded, I think thats sad but something we have to accept. But the problem with elderscrolls is also that :

a) Quotes gets taken out of context (thats why I censor myself).
b) Quotes are put to public display which fills a much higher incentive to change your behaviour either to avoid this or to get into the Elder Scrolls than simply knowing what you say is recorded.
c) It puts Exalius in controll of a platform nobody else have access to.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2013, 02:01:31 am by Shoop »

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2013, 02:40:47 am »
well the fact is that it does restrict openess, as testified by several people. ''key contributors'' i might add. and what's the tradeoff? a random quote every now and then, most of which are complete garbadge because the formula is lightyears away from systematically displaying valuable quotes? let's not forget the people who refuse to contribute because of the quotesystem. there is valid criticism of the quoteparty (lowering bnet contribution), and people don't wanna support a forum that have such a quotefeature. seems to make perfect sense to not support such a forum if you value bnet chat parties?

anyway, we know that elderscrolls restricts openess and we know that it doesn't work for "displaying the funniest quotes on bnet =D!". the bots aren't a problem because people don't spread eachothers words all across bnet in non-context. they know it kills activity. and ofcourse there's the element of trust/friendship amongst most of us. the quoteparty ignores all of this. quoteparty = effectively adding a guy in every st channel who's out to make people look bad by misrepresenting them or sharing what people say to their friends to the rest of battle.net.

the part about bots is a fallacy if true anyway. if both bots and quoteparty limit openess, and we got full controll over one of them, we shouldn't remove it because the other will still be there? ye ok. lets not even try to minimize the problem if we can't absolutely eradicate it.
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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2013, 08:41:58 am »
I'm for removing the quote party altogether.

Although the quotes are claimed to be randomly selected; they do not follow a time pattern and also seems to always belittle someone in some way.

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2013, 06:41:30 pm »
I don't see how it can be argued that people feel less free to express themselves because of the quote function given that the quote function is simply an extension built entirely on botlogging.

The only distinct feature of the quote function is that it potentially makes a few lines of input from the logs more available and accessible. If it is the case that people feel they can't speak freely then the problem is the source --> botlogging and not the retrieval and presentation of a few lines from that source. We have to live with botlogging and it makes no difference whether the quote function is there or not.

Given this, I think the arguments for removing it are weak at best. Nevertheless, if everyone wants it removed I will of course comply. Everyone does however not comprise local brainwashens sent to the forum to do their masters' bidding. If you can get a bunch more people to weigh in on the issue I'll remove it depending on the results.


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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2013, 06:50:26 pm »
how about keeping the quote party if ''everyone wants it to keep it''? this only seems fitting, as the arguements for the quote party (apart from a reference to something trollpro said) don't even exist. and ofcourse, shoop will decide if it was done through brainwashing or not.

way to set impossible goals to reach. just get rid of the quote already..
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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2013, 06:52:34 pm »
Also, if you're against the quote function you should also be against Koala's youtube videos?

It's the same thing is it not? He records material and puts it on youtube and thereby changes playing-style and people's willingness to even play sheep tag in fear of being ridiculed? We can bring up context here as well.


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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2013, 06:56:28 pm »
Only reasonable course of action is to permaban koala from all ST games. Oh wait...

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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2013, 07:38:59 pm »
Rofl get some balls Quotes are cool **** ! :) When im out in STC like 2 weeks or so, It's funny to check whats happening in STC with quotes :DDD
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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2013, 07:54:18 pm »
All the reasons for removing the QuOTEN are valid.

but sure keep it... it's just going to decrease Bnet contribution (the testimonies presented are legit, noone here has some deeper agenda or whatever).

and apart from having an indirect effect on forum activity (less bnet dynemics -> leads to less forum partying), it also gives people a good reason to not contribute to the forums either. we've seen people boycott for less.



i've said what i wanted to say. do what you want, but the right decision is glaringly obviously.
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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2013, 08:18:46 pm »
Botlogging is cool coz there is no other way of saving STC history properly. Great arguments about the Elder Scrolls tho, removal might be the best option.

It just made me angry the first time I saw it. "What did this **** do to deserve the right of his quote being portrayed?" was my thought. ^^
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Re: Quote Party Rework -> Get More Posters On Forum
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2013, 10:44:42 pm »
Take the quote party OFF.

 

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