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Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« on: September 29, 2013, 07:21:17 am »



we've heard alot about races from nightmare/enstek over the years.

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WHY cant somalia do the same? Or maybe they can't because they are inferior monkeys with no brains?

my claim: there is no reason to think that one of the people in the pictures above is better than the other in any way(intelligence, morals, talent; whatever). there is no good reason to think that any race (however you define a race) is superior to another.

can the racist squad (especially night/enstek, but i encourage the rest of you as well) give us good justification for assuming that any race is superior to another? you can define ''race'' in any way you want, choose any requirements you want, etc. Let's hear it yo0o0.
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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2013, 11:08:17 am »
So first of all there are many facts that proove white to be superior towards black race.

But lets start with INTELLIGENCE!
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/retard.htm

There are graphs which clearly show that average iq of an black is 15 lower than an average white. ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. If the difference was 5 we could say its pretty even, but now it can be clearly stated that Whites are intelligently superior to blacks.

Since i've proven my point with a certain fact , and unless u do the same, your opinion will be less significant. SO BRING IN THE FACTS!!!
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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 12:02:32 pm »
Essentially, all people are the same. The fact that the 'White man' has had about four thousand more years of civilization on a far larger and intricate scale than the black man means that they are generally ahead. I think the intelligence thing comes from that in a certain measure aswell.
That said, races are of no importance. I do not believe that skin colour or etnicity should have any impact on one or the other being superior over another.
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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 12:13:31 am »
You're right, Amir.  No man should be considered greater than the other unless directly threatened by one another.  In that case the violent one should be eliminated because it is inferior to human survival.  Altruism is DEEP within the human behavior and has been for quite some time.

That being said everyone should be able to recognize what is good for society.  If the man with the big lip questions the man on the rights' ability to be where he is then it is irrelevant.  That man earned to be where he is today. 

Both men are happy with their current situation.  The black man doesn't care about being that white man and that white man doesn't care about being that black man.

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 05:10:33 am »
So Nights whole argument is that the average white person will perform better than the average black person on an IQ test developed in western society? Nobody sees a flaw with that? lol. An IQ test is no real indication of ones intelligence, because the questions are based around general knowledge within the western society. It's a joke, especially considering the main Black countries are third world. The questions that are asked would have to be modified to match the things in their country and the language spoken in their country. No IQ test is that developed, because of one reason: 'who cares about African countries?'

Yoyo night, I give you IQ test made in Australia with questions about kangaroos etc... see how well you perform provided you haven't studied Australian culture etc..

Here is a simple question. Two Tasmanian Devils and Two kangaroos have a total of 16 legs. True or False
(Night Quickly Google searches the Tasmanian Devil and Kangaroos to see how many legs each has and most likely still fails to answer the question LOLOLOL!/Or takes 50 - 50 chance and guesses instead of truly knowing the answer, thus fails the exercise)
« Last Edit: October 02, 2013, 05:13:37 am by Alph4bet »

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 11:27:55 am »
i estimate night's IQ at 100 points lower than the smartest black man's.
What is even the point of being racist when you yourself are inferior to like 90% of the race you are hating on? food for thought

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 12:50:34 am »
As Mike is saying, IQ is completely irrelevant in this thread, Night will probably not understand why but, yeye..

The only thing being proved in threads like this are the stupidity of people like Night when they claim things as in this thread. Embarssing :/

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 09:32:04 pm »
IQ tests or tests of the g factor are aptitude tests, not tests of attainment. If you've seen knowledge-based questions it's because your idea of an IQ test is some backward half-assed home-made IQ test you found in some corner on the internet. Look into real tests such as Raven's matrices instead.

Night may be a disgusting racist, but it is a fact that asians scores better than whites and whites score better than blacks on IQ tests. These differences are not accounted for in their entirety by environmental factors. Rather, genetic (and epigenetic) components account for these differences.

Academics are throwing out 'benign' lies to the public because they fear their actual results (the TRUTH) will (they think) cause damage.

Educate yourselves on the matter here:

http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Linda-S.-Gottfredson-WHAT-IF-THE-HEREDITARIAN-HYPOTHESIS-IS-TRUE.pdf

Also, none of you seem to have tackled the link night sent? 

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 11:20:30 am »
Did the antiracist team give up?

Anyone got some TOP arguments or?

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2013, 10:56:36 pm »
My first point still stands IQ tests are no real indication of ones intelligence, to go further than before because Swedish joined conversation.
So as you may know IQ tests questions are based upon the general knowledge of the society being tested, using said societies environment/language. Of course there are chinese/korean etc... tests developed(Because they are a more developed country than most African countries).

There are a few major factors when testings someones IQ which shouldn't be relative at all because your argument was to begin with
"Black people are dumber than white people"
The factors are:
That persons access to knowledge(libraries/schools/unis/internet etc)
The environmental influence(Mother/Father/GrandParents etc)
That persons actual genetic make-up.(How their memory is, how naturally bright they are) NOTE - This is the only factor that should be relevant at all, because of the limited way you had asserted your statement, said statement is quoted below.

But lets start with INTELLIGENCE!
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/retard.htm

There are graphs which clearly show that average iq of an black is 15 lower than an average white. ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. If the difference was 5 we could say its pretty even, but now it can be clearly stated that Whites are intelligently superior to blacks.

Asians(Mainly the chinese) will score higher than a white person in an IQ test because of their Environmental Influence, all of my asian friends back in high school, would RARELY go to social events/hang out with anyone outside of high school due to the copious amounts of homework they were doing.(Their parents set it, not the school lol). I admit they'd kick my ass in any IQ test because of that factor, just like I'd kick there ass in any sport(Besides table tennis), or debates because they were able to put valid arguments together, but unfortunately due to the fact they didn't socialise on a regular basis with other students, they were unable to express those arguments.

Now we come to the white kids who score the second highest, who waste their opportunities all the time and deal with "First world problems" lol. "MY MATHER WOULDN'T LET ME GO TO CONCERT SO NOW I'M NOT GOING TO STUDY FOR EXAM!" Who don't have huge pressure from parents because their parents don't keep them isolated. They expose their kids to highly social environments and put less constraint on their day to day activities. These people are hugely exposed to knowledge even if they don't take it in. Their environmental influences in heaps of cases aren't that great but they aren't poor. They squander their abilities by not taking full advantage of their situation, how smart is that? Lol, sure they will score higher on an iq test than a kid who can't even count to 1000000 because he was never sent to school, but due to the reasons I listed before, they wont perform as well in an "IQ Test" than someone who meets all the factors above whether they are white/black/yellow/purple/green/red or pink!

Now we come to black kids who have limited access to knowledge, often really bad environmental influences and are dirt poor. Even if these kids had a  highly intellectual mind, due to their limited access of knowledge, they will never get the chance to prove it. Ever.

Edit: WhItE PeOPlE ArE Not SmArTeR THAn BlAcK PEopLe.
Gogo come up with next argument you racist d.ic.ks
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 11:12:13 pm by Alph4bet »

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2013, 11:16:27 pm »
Hey, I'll be open to the idea there may be differences.

But first I'd like to see a question that can test my intelligence.

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 12:29:35 am »
Sheepgod bring real material instead of ideological blabber and anecdotes.

Did you know that IQ has a heritability of .8? That means that only 20% of the variance in IQ is explained through environmental factors.

(Also to reiterate, IQ tests are tests of aptitude, NOT KNOWLEDGE)

Further, IQ is constant. It doesn't matter if you read or do your homework - your IQ scores will not improve. Again, because IQ tests are tests of APTITUDE.

Now, read the Gottfredson (2005) article I posted and explain:

Why do malnourished east-asians have an above-average IQ as compared to whites when adopted into white families?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 12:31:10 am by FaceOfMelinda »

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2013, 07:00:21 pm »
Since the arguments from the racists are links to other peoples works I thought Id respond in a similar way and just quote a small summary of some of Karl Poppers work, educate yourself :

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The Problem of Demarcation

As Popper represents it, the central problem in the philosophy of science is that of demarcation, i.e., of distinguishing between science and what he terms non-science, under which heading he ranks, amongst others, logic, metaphysics, psychoanalysis, and Adler's individual psychology. Popper is unusual amongst contemporary philosophers in that he accepts the validity of the Humean critique of induction, and indeed, goes beyond it in arguing that induction is never actually used in science. However, he does not concede that this entails the scepticism which is associated with Hume, and argues that the Baconian/Newtonian insistence on the primacy of pure observation, as the initial step in the formation of theories, is completely misguided: all observation is selective and theory-ladenthere are no pure or theory-free observations. In this way he destabilises the traditional view that science can be distinguished from non-science on the basis of its inductive methodology; in contradistinction to this, Popper holds that there is no unique methodology specific to science. Science, like virtually every other human, and indeed organic, activity, Popper believes, consists largely of problem-solving.

Popper accordingly repudiates induction and rejects the view that it is the characteristic method of scientific investigation and inference, substituting falsifiability in its place. It is easy, he argues, to obtain evidence in favour of virtually any theory, and he consequently holds that such corroboration, as he terms it, should count scientifically only if it is the positive result of a genuinely risky prediction, which might conceivably have been false. For Popper, a theory is scientific only if it is refutable by a conceivable event. Every genuine test of a scientific theory, then, is logically an attempt to refute or to falsify it, and one genuine counter-instance falsifies the whole theory. In a critical sense, Popper's theory of demarcation is based upon his perception of the logical asymmetry which holds between verification and falsification: it is logically impossible to conclusively verify a universal proposition by reference to experience (as Hume saw clearly), but a single counter-instance conclusively falsifies the corresponding universal law. In a word, an exception, far from proving a rule, conclusively refutes it.

Every genuine scientific theory then, in Popper's view, is prohibitive, in the sense that it forbids, by implication, particular events or occurrences. As such it can be tested and falsified, but never logically verified. Thus Popper stresses that it should not be inferred from the fact that a theory has withstood the most rigorous testing, for however long a period of time, that it has been verified; rather we should recognise that such a theory has received a high measure of corroboration. and may be provisionally retained as the best available theory until it is finally falsified (if indeed it is ever falsified), and/or is superseded by a better theory.

Popper has always drawn a clear distinction between the logic of falsifiability and its applied methodology. The logic of his theory is utterly simple: if a single ferrous metal is unaffected by a magnetic field it cannot be the case that all ferrous metals are affected by magnetic fields. Logically speaking, a scientific law is conclusively falsifiable although it is not conclusively verifiable. Methodologically, however, the situation is much more complex: no observation is free from the possibility of errorconsequently we may question whether our experimental result was what it appeared to be.

Thus, while advocating falsifiability as the criterion of demarcation for science, Popper explicitly allows for the fact that in practice a single conflicting or counter-instance is never sufficient methodologically to falsify a theory, and that scientific theories are often retained even though much of the available evidence conflicts with them, or is anomalous with respect to them. Scientific theories may, and do, arise genetically in many different ways, and the manner in which a particular scientist comes to formulate a particular theory may be of biographical interest, but it is of no consequence as far as the philosophy of science is concerned. Popper stresses in particular that there is no unique way, no single method such as induction, which functions as the route to scientific theory, a view which Einstein personally endorsed with his affirmation that There is no logical path leading to [the highly universal laws of science]. They can only be reached by intuition, based upon something like an intellectual love of the objects of experience. Science, in Popper's view, starts with problems rather than with observationsit is, indeed, precisely in the context of grappling with a problem that the scientist makes observations in the first instance: his observations are selectively designed to test the extent to which a given theory functions as a satisfactory solution to a given problem.

On this criterion of demarcation physics, chemistry, and (non-introspective) psychology, amongst others, are sciences, psychoanalysis is a pre-science (i.e., it undoubtedly contains useful and informative truths, but until such time as psychoanalytical theories can be formulated in such a manner as to be falsifiable, they will not attain the status of scientific theories), and astrology and phrenology are pseudo-sciences. Formally, then, Popper's theory of demarcation may be articulated as follows: where a basic statement is to be understood as a particular observation-report, then we may say that a theory is scientific if and only if it divides the class of basic statements into the following two non-empty sub-classes: (a) the class of all those basic statements with which it is inconsistent, or which it prohibitsthis is the class of its potential falsifiers (i.e., those statements which, if true, falsify the whole theory), and (b) the class of those basic statements with which it is consistent, or which it permits (i.e., those statements which, if true, corroborate it, or bear it out).

Where is the prediction that gives this theory falsifiability?

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2013, 07:37:52 pm »
The null hypothesis is that IQ is the same across all races.

It has been disproven by a mountain of data already posted in this thread. Now do you have anything to offer the thread?

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Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 07:47:04 pm »
I asked what prediction your theory makes, to conclude that the difference in avarege IQ is caused by genetics, and not something else?

 

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