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Chiefhero[sks]

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RiddleZ!
« on: September 23, 2013, 01:50:22 am »


wots de answers?

HOLY **** the picture is massive!

edit: posting my answers later. there might be several answers to the riddlez. interesting to see how ppl solven it. you can also post your own riddles eventually and keep the thread going.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 03:20:08 am by Chiefhero[sks] »
"Sometimes Amir takes a deep breath and closes his eyes when he dota. That is when **** is getting real. He no longer plays dota, he feels dota, he IS dota." - Enstek

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Re: RiddleZ!
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 02:15:02 am »
Easy Mode:
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God Mode:
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I don't quite understand God Slayer Mode, the birdens are not invisible in this one or?
« Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 02:16:54 am by SamLowe »

Tollison

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 05:13:10 am »
God Slayer Mode!!!: I won't be sure of which door leads to heaven, but I would ask one bird which door leads to heaven and then I would take the opposite one because It's more likely to be that one.

TOLLISONS RIDDLE TO YOU:

There is a tube in the middle of your living room that can not be turned over and nothing is crafted well enough to reach inside to acquire the treat because it's very small and leaves no room to grab it with tools.

How do you acquire the treat?






« Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 05:41:12 am by Tollison »

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 05:56:05 am »
SamLowe (wbs?) regarding the easy mode, how would you know the answer if you asked the bird that lied? wouldnt it only work if you asked the bird that told the truth?

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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2013, 06:46:45 am »
The problem with this riddle is that you can only ask one bird one question leaving us with no answer from the other one.  You'd have to completely guess which door you must use.

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Re: RiddleZ!
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 10:08:31 am »
@Spoofy and Tollison
Just run it through your head, lol.

Since you are asking Bird 1 what Bird 2 would say, or Bird 2 what Bird 1 would say, it is "falsified" once, either way. That means if they say, "They'd say door on the left is Heaven" or w/e, it is really Hell, no matter what bird you are asking.

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Re: RiddleZ!
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 01:54:03 pm »
SamLowe (wbs?) regarding the easy mode, how would you know the answer if you asked the bird that lied? wouldnt it only work if you asked the bird that told the truth?

Let's say Bird 1 is lying and Door A goes to hell. Bird 1 are then supposed to give me the answer Door B since that is what Bird 2 is saying but since he is always lying he will tell me Door A instead. Both birds will give me the door that goes to hell and therefore i pick the other door.

Chiefhero[sks]

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Re: RiddleZ!
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2013, 03:15:05 pm »
chakra solved the godslayer, enstek (samlowe) answered the first 2.
"Sometimes Amir takes a deep breath and closes his eyes when he dota. That is when **** is getting real. He no longer plays dota, he feels dota, he IS dota." - Enstek


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Re: RiddleZ!
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 12:55:11 am »
@Chakra and Amir: The bird would then ask which of his attributes.  The birds have many you know. 

Chiefhero[sks]

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Re: RiddleZ!
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 01:06:41 am »
the answer is something along the lines of 'which door holds the afterlife that best reflects your way of speaking?', which is basically what chakra said.
"Sometimes Amir takes a deep breath and closes his eyes when he dota. That is when **** is getting real. He no longer plays dota, he feels dota, he IS dota." - Enstek


Spoofy

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 01:36:08 am »
i see now, lol... holy ****.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 02:44:09 am »
Bird A answers with truth and bird B answers with falsity.

Door A leads to Heaven and Door B leads to Hell.

If you ask which door best reflects their way of speaking then it's an illogical question.  Heaven and Hell may or may not be truthful in nature depending on the persons answering this riddle and what the birds believe also.  Therefore asking which door holds the afterlife that best reflects their way of speaking and finding the door you want would  have to be assumed. 

Asking one bird which door leads to Heaven and then taking the opposite one is the most optimal way of finding it without any hypothesis.


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Re: RiddleZ!
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 02:57:02 am »
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Asking one bird which door leads to Heaven and then taking the opposite one is the most optimal way of finding it without any hypothesis.
Why is this more optimal than just taking the door they told you? Or just ignoring the bird and picking any door? It's 50% anyway, lol..

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If you ask which door best reflects their way of speaking then it's an illogical question.  Heaven and Hell may or may not be truthful in nature depending on the persons answering this riddle and what the birds believe also.  Therefore asking which door holds the afterlife that best reflects their way of speaking and finding the door you want would  have to be assumed.
Sorry to break it to you, but Heaven and hell don't even exist. The riddle is that we can assume Heaven exists and is associated with truth and Hell exists and is associated with lies (hello John 8:44), as well that the birds are omniscient and speak English.

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 05:08:30 am »
I start with 50% chance, but If I receive influence from a bird that lies then it would be in my favor to choose the other door.  it becomes 2/3 more likely to be the door to heaven opposite of what it says.

If I accept the truth birds statement then I still just have a 50% chance because I can't assume it's correct because there is a bird that lies as well.

It's a hypothetical statement to assume Heaven and Hell have traits associated with lying and truthfulness.  I don't believe Heaven or Hell exists either.  Unless you can prove that Heaven is truthful or Hell is untrustworthy then my option can be the only best answer.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 06:52:28 am »
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I start with 50% chance, but If I receive influence from a bird that lies then it would be in my favor to choose the other door.  it becomes 2/3 more likely to be the door to heaven opposite of what it says.
That's not how it works at all. If you randomly choose, you have a 50% chance. If you ask one of the birds "Which door leads to Heaven," you still have a 50% chance. They don't magically add together (and if they did, it'd be 75%, not 2/3rds).

Let me go over the "easy answer" once again.

Let's say Bird A is the one that tells the truth, and Door A is Heaven.

If you ask Bird A, "What door will Bird B say is Heaven?" Bird A will tell you, "Bird B will say Door B is Heaven."
If you ask Bird B, "What door will Bird A say is Heaven?" Bird B will tell you, "Bird A will say Door B is Heaven."

No matter the bird you ask, the second part of the statement is ALWAYS wrong, "...Door B is Heaven." This is because Bird A truthfully tells you Bird B's lie, and Bird B lies about what Bird A truthfully would say. You have a 100% success rate of getting into Heaven if you take the door not said to be heaven.

It does not matter which bird tells lies or which door is Heaven; the result is always the same: the second part of the statement is wrong.


The second component of the question stipulates you can't use the other bird as part of the question, so instead you just compound logic statements. Sam said:
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Ask one of the birds to tell me the door that wouldn't be their answer to the question "Which door leads to heaven?".

Why does this work? Easy: because both tell you the false door once again.

If you ask the truth telling bird, it'll revert it's answer ONCE, telling you the falsehood. Truth -> False
If you ask the lying bird, it'll revert it's answer TWICE, telling you the falsehood. False -> Truth -> False

So you go into the door not suggested. Once again, 100% success into Heaven.


My answer, which is basically, "no internal ifs," uses something somewhat similar.
The truth-telling bird will indicate it is, correctly, going to Heaven.
The false-telling bird will indicate, incorrectly, it is going to Heaven.

Either way, both point to the door of Heaven, 100% success rate.

 

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