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SamLowe

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2014, 06:43:07 pm »
The only reason this is the most active thread 8th because it's an argument thread lol..
I would also argue to say Dota isn't as fun as sheep tag as I have played Dota and don't even find it close
To as satisfying. One of the main reasons people would have chosen Dota over sheep tag is because they look and see sheep and wolves and put it off thinking it's childish, they don't see its good aspects and never play it again. While in Dota that doesn't happen. The eye candy plus obvious skill is what makes people chose Dota. If someone were to realize the potential and all the different aspects of st it would probably Level the playing field. But that doesn't happen. And didn't happen. All the pros didn't advertise the game and thus we get what we have today. Now I know what I have said has flaws, but to back up a lot of what I said, I mean look at me. I simply saw pro game play in action and was able to realize how deep and awesome the game is, noting I had played Dota on wc3 before finding St,  though I chose St.

I doubt you played Dota on an even mediocre level. Did you even know about every hero, every item and so on? Dota has a very steep learning curve and a lot of people throw the game in the trash before they've taken their time to properly learn the game.

The fact remains that many people who were amongst the BEST at Sheeptag moved over to Dota more or less completely. At the same time I have yet to see someone who actually was decent on Dota moving to Sheeptag completely.

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2014, 08:57:40 am »
drewisfat
Active DOTA player from 2003-2006
Shaman of clan Cute, one of the top clans at that time.
For six months or so almost exclusively played dota over sheep tag
Participated in several clan wars, was especially good with FM and Aqua.
Reasons stopped playing:
Didn't like allstars
Didn't want to move to TFT
Roc dota started to die / clan / friends moved on
ST got more competitive and fun
Retained interest in ST, more room to improve.

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Brown1430
Cele (probably)
Philo (maybe)

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2014, 03:21:06 pm »
Well RoC Dota doesn't count obviously. It's like saying you dislike football after playing drunk beach crab football.

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2014, 10:41:40 pm »
I remember you playing RoC dota. I won't deny that, you were really good too ^^

Dota Allstars is a different monster though.

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2014, 11:22:19 pm »
It makes no sense to trash roc dota when it is the foundation for what game you hold so dear. The core of dota gameplay hasn't changed that much.  Many of the roc heros / items were imported. My "FM" is now your "CM". The main change to the game itself is more heroes / items.

Sheep tag's game play has changed radically many times over the year, from 9v3 8 hit farm kills, to 8v4 solo diamonding, to 5v5 gridding, massing together, to being a bunch of rt noobs, to running to the corners and pumping sheep images, to nonsensical 5v7 2 hit farm kill games. 

ST's core gameplay has probably changed more from year to year than dota's has in its entire existence.

I am merely responding to the really flawed argument/point that no one ever switched from dota to ST.  If my switch doesn't count, then neither does yours.  I mean have you even SEEN these short 5v7 2 hit farm games, with new and improved bombers!

Furthermore let's not act like this point has any legitimacy.  You switched to dota because ST was dying, dota's at an all time high.  Of course it's going to be unlikely for a pro to leave an extremely popular game to join a dead one.  The only time such a counter example could be offered is in the past, before dota pros were actually making money and ST had more than 100 players.   What do you know, such counter examples actually do exist! -- but you quickly cover yourself by saying that old dota was an entirely different game and therefore doesn't count.  Some foolproof circle you got going on here :)


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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2014, 12:06:47 am »
to nonsensical 5v7 2 hit farm kill games

Whoa 12 players??? Don't give the STC that much credit. 3v5 and 2v4 is about all we get scrummage these days. Considering there's only 10 or so active players in the entire STC and by active I mean gets on at least once a day and plays a game of Sheep Tag.

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2014, 09:18:16 am »
Quote from: drew
It makes no sense to trash roc dota when it is the foundation for what game you hold so dear. The core of dota gameplay hasn't changed that much.  Many of the roc heros / items were imported. My "FM" is now your "CM". The main change to the game itself is more heroes / items.

Sheep tag's game play has changed radically many times over the year, from 9v3 8 hit farm kills, to 8v4 solo diamonding, to 5v5 gridding, massing together, to being a bunch of rt noobs, to running to the corners and pumping sheep images, to nonsensical 5v7 2 hit farm kill games. 

ST's core gameplay has probably changed more from year to year than dota's has in its entire existence.

you listed gameplay changes for st, and map-changes for dota. let's try a coherent comparison in your next post???

make a list of gameplay/strategy progress in dota and compare it to solomassing vs diamoning? then make a new list, comparing all the dota-map-changes with the removed stack and 4->2 hit farms in ST, which summarizes the "radical ST map-changes" for the last decade? and then compare massing/switch-runtag (different rules) to 5v5, 1on1, LoD, Wtf, Omg, Diretide, Frostivus etc for dota?

when you're done you'll realize that dota has had way more changes than ST in every category. ofc you can pull this deceiving bull**** and list 100 different ways people have played/strategized in ST, and summarize tousands of map-changes for dota with "more items/heroes". dota-strategy (equivalent of diamond/cornermass/sideygridding/solomassing) ALONE fluctuates more with every patch(several times a year) than sheeptag does every 3 years on average.

and let's not forget that changes in dota have been improvements exclusively, while many of sheeptags "radical changes" have just made gameplay worse rofl.

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I am merely responding to the really flawed argument/point that no one ever switched from dota to ST.  If my switch doesn't count, then neither does yours.  I mean have you even SEEN these short 5v7 2 hit farm games, with new and improved bombers!
not only has noone argued this, i even used SHOOP as an example of someone who chose ST over Dota despite having mastered/understood both games to a satisfactory degree, and in my opening post i might add. enstek continued to claim that people have different preferences, and some will inevitably choose ST over Dota. you took down a flawed point, but i think you posted in the wrong thread/forum :D

my argument is simple, summarized; chances of you enjoying dota more than ST are extremely big, so if you haven't tried dota, you should give it a chance - you'll highly likely enjoy it more than runtag. ofc you'll find extreme cases and outliers.

besides, my argument is contingent on MASTERING the fundamentals of current dota before choosing which game to continue playing, so no, i don't think you're a valid example here drew, since your post demonstrates that you don't know anything about dota and the improvements it has had since 1966.

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Furthermore let's not act like this point has any legitimacy.  You switched to dota because ST was dying, dota's at an all time high.  Of course it's going to be unlikely for a pro to leave an extremely popular game to join a dead one.  The only time such a counter example could be offered is in the past, before dota pros were actually making money and ST had more than 100 players.   What do you know, such counter examples actually do exist! -- but you quickly cover yourself by saying that old dota was an entirely different game and therefore doesn't count.  Some foolproof circle you got going on here :)
nope, most of us switched to dota long before st was ''dead/dying''. infact, DREW HIMSELF has stated in the past that ''people moving over to dota caused st to decline/die, not the removal of the stack/invis". Chakra, shoop, and the rest of the anti-stack-frankenstein-squad has claimed the exact same thing.

so, in one debate, st started dying because/after people moved to dota, in the next debate, people started moving to dota because ST was dying. Or maybe it was an entangled process, huh. i'm sure we'll find out how both statements are true in drew next post :D

edit: Oh, and most of the pro-dota arguments are statistical in nature, and you're countering them by refering to 1 person (yourself) as if it refutes anything. and you maintain that a game, durings it's infant stages, is basically the same game 10 years later. it's an understatement to say that you're basically calling ROTS and todays st ''the same'', because dota has undergone much more progress and develoupment. talk about a "foolproof circle".
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 09:32:28 am by Chiefhero[sks] »
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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2014, 10:59:36 am »
It makes no sense to trash roc dota when it is the foundation for what game you hold so dear. The core of dota gameplay hasn't changed that much.  Many of the roc heros / items were imported. My "FM" is now your "CM". The main change to the game itself is more heroes / items.

Sheep tag's game play has changed radically many times over the year, from 9v3 8 hit farm kills, to 8v4 solo diamonding, to 5v5 gridding, massing together, to being a bunch of rt noobs, to running to the corners and pumping sheep images, to nonsensical 5v7 2 hit farm kill games. 

ST's core gameplay has probably changed more from year to year than dota's has in its entire existence.

I am merely responding to the really flawed argument/point that no one ever switched from dota to ST.  If my switch doesn't count, then neither does yours.  I mean have you even SEEN these short 5v7 2 hit farm games, with new and improved bombers!

Furthermore let's not act like this point has any legitimacy.  You switched to dota because ST was dying, dota's at an all time high.  Of course it's going to be unlikely for a pro to leave an extremely popular game to join a dead one.  The only time such a counter example could be offered is in the past, before dota pros were actually making money and ST had more than 100 players.   What do you know, such counter examples actually do exist! -- but you quickly cover yourself by saying that old dota was an entirely different game and therefore doesn't count.  Some foolproof circle you got going on here :)



I should have said that nobody who played modern Dota at a decent level has switched to ST. I played Dota in 2005-2006 and it wouldn't even be fair to call it the same game, nothing is alike. You can't say this is because modern Dota started at a time when ST was dead either, ST was very much alive in 2008, 2009, 2010 and even for a period in 2012. We have even had Dota players such as Rev, Georgemotts and so on who has come into our community from Dota, given ST a serious try, and then thrown it in the trash.

I'm not saying that there can't be people who would prefer ST over Dota, I'm just saying that all evidence points towards it being very unlikely.

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2014, 11:10:45 am »
The thing you are all overlooking I think here is that you all keep saying try DotA you'll find it alot more fun,
but if people do this and they prefer DotA, ST is dead.

So just keep playing Sheep Tag folks, avoid DotA like the plague :D
It doesn't matter if you would prefer DotA over ST, it's not worth killing Sheep Tag.

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2014, 03:22:57 pm »
The thing you are all overlooking I think here is that you all keep saying try DotA you'll find it alot more fun,
but if people do this and they prefer DotA, ST is dead.

So just keep playing Sheep Tag folks, avoid DotA like the plague :D
It doesn't matter if you would prefer DotA over ST, it's not worth killing Sheep Tag.
why is it not worth killing the limping puppy if you guys find Dota more fun?

i've already covered how you're not losing anything "communitywise" by switching. infact, you'd be expanding your gamingcircle/community/friends by uniting old and new sheeptaggers on a common platform. We still have wc3 bots/forums to keep in touch, exactly like now.

your WORST case scenario is that you'll waste some time trying Dota. you simply go back to ST if you enjoy it more after giving dota a fair chance, lol. the worst case scenario is very unlikely though.

you don't have to try dota. you do, however, need to try dota if you want to call yourself reasonable :D



"Revolution 8.7.blackberry.6 Gosusheep Edition" is just one of a million maps. the SHEEP TAG COMMUNITY are the personalities and friends; tollison's crazy posts, hawky's antics, shoop's rage, and exa's hostbot expertise. the STC is the component you want to keep alive. the map should be trashed for better/more fun alternatives, just like we did with ROTS. it's a shame that the sheep tag community doesn't reach it's full potential, simply because some of you want to keep "Gosusheeps.Blackberry.Edition.Tag.For.12" alive. 10 years ago, you guys would be the ones grabbing ROTS while the bigger portion moved over to gosusheeps maps^^
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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2014, 06:59:19 pm »
either you choose sheep tag or dota you are reasonable in your choice.

either you choose sheep tag or battleships you are reasonable in your choice.

get it?

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2014, 07:13:20 am »
either you choose methamphetamine or chocolate chip cookies you are reasonable in your choice

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2014, 07:38:51 pm »
what celestial says is true

whether you choose meth or cookies you are still reasonable.

very silly explanation though xD

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2014, 07:10:43 am »
Exactly! Whether you choose to donate blood to diseased children, or you choose to open fire in a highschool cafeteria you are reasonable in your choice.

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Re: Why i play SHEEPTAG instead of DOTA!
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2014, 08:03:48 pm »
I know you're being sarcastic only because of your previous posts; therefore i'd like you to calm down the next time you post.  you're too stressed.

using logic if you donate blood to diseased children it is reasonable because it's helpful, but you were vague about the school shooting.

If I were in a cafeteria, and i was being threatened, of course im going to open fire on my enemy if i have a handgun on me, durp.

lets look at what you're doing. heres your comparisons

sheep tag[game]  - dota[game]
meth[drug]  - cookie[food]
blood donation[charity] - school shooting[whatever you want it to be according to

see how you messed up when you started getting angry?  you started comparing different subjects together instead of the same.  people use drugs for their own reason, people eat cookies for their own reason, people donate blood for their own reason, and shooting in a school cafeteria is within their own reason, but if you play sheep tag or dota, which are games, which means they are of the same subject, the criteria of whether you want to play dota or sheep tag comes to how it made you feel the first few times you played both games.

if you play a game and don't like it, which i don't like dota because when i tried it there was no way for me as a noob to do well without trying to read all the heroes and items for a week or two, but i liked sheep tag because i was able to run away, watch my teammates, figure out a few buttons, find the hotkeys, and i was set to becoming a great sheep tagger, unlike dota.

dota has a much higher fan base, and i think its because of its complex gameplay and wonderful design, but sheep tags fan base likes how simple and demanding ST is depending on your APM.

 

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