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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tollison on September 09, 2013, 11:06:36 pm
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I would like to know the opinions of people who can play both well. What makes what better?
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Well i've never played League of Legends so i can't be sure but i've gotten the impression that League of Legends is far worse based on the player base.
From my experiences irl, the average LoL-player is a typical "goofy-nerd". The kind of person who spends his days reading on 9gag.com, playing Pokemon and watching My Little Pony. A nerd who lack the intelligence that nerds normally have. Often dresses up in a coat and a fedora aswell as a nice neckbeard on top of that. Known for using the "xD"-smiley and dreaming of a "gamer-gurl".
Meanwhile the average DotA 2 player is a normal, maybe slightly nerdy, person. Often way more intelligent than his LoL-counterpart.
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Yo waddup, I have quite some experience with League of Legends.
What SamLowe said is true, the players are pretty on edge and start flaming randomly very frequently, same happends in ST so you should be able to handle it :P.
League of Legends does have more unique things that dota doesnt have such as Summoner Spells, Mastery Pages and Rune Pages.
Some people claim League of Legends is easier, the only reason that this would be is because you cannot deny creeps.
I think you should just play both and see what you like, because League of Legends is not the same as DotA.
If you have more question about League lemme know.
- Lorenzo
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Thank you.
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1) LoL has more retarded **** added (you can only play 10 heroes per week or something, you gotta play alot to ''unlock heroes", gotta play alot to level up spells you can use ingame ETC ETC).
2) LoL is alot more ganging-oriented than dota. Farming is really easy in LoL because the only way the enemy team can stop you from farming is to gang you. in dota, you can ''teamkill'' your own creeps, you can drag your creeps to fight neutral enemies (and die that way), and so on.
3) LoL gives free invisibility in forms of grass and bushes (you can stand inside a bush at any point in the game and the enemies won't know ur there unless they walk inside the bush to see who's there)
4) LoL gives free teleports (a limited ammount however, as it's a free spell on every hero).
LoL is basically the baby-version of dota. the fundamentals of gameplay are pretty much identical, yet when it comes to small details, LoL makes the game easier/more noob-friendly than dota2. This is mainly based on what i've read about LoL, but I have also tried playing it for a short period and i didn't find anything that indicates that what I read was wrong.
that said, both games work on the same principles and fundamentals, and both are fun. LoL might even be more fun than dota, depending on the items/hero spells in the game (I haven't tried all of them).
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4) LoL gives free teleports (a limited ammount however, as it's a free spell on every hero).
Do know that is is only to teleport back to spawn / shop, not to other turrets :P
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All MOBA's are trash 0 skill games. I play League and its trash as ****. it is so easy I only play because of how easy it is and many of my IRL friends play so it's fun to just **** ****. I have lil experience with dota but it reminds me of dungeons and dragons meaning you gotta be huge nerd to understand all the **** you can do in the game. League is more your regular kind of guy can pick up easy where as dota is you have to be huge nerd to understand how all the **** works. Either way both these games are trash if you want real skill stick to Sheep tag/Starcraft 2/Planetside 2.
Edit: Main reasons league is more popular is because its easier to pick up and can be played using **** ass computers. Overall at "pro" level I believe both games have equal skill involved, but the skill is not even close to the skill needed to play Sc2. Also Dota 2 is like 100% BR and Russians impossible to communicate with your team.
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All MOBA's are trash 0 skill games. I play League and its trash as ****. it is so easy I only play because of how easy it is and many of my IRL friends play so it's fun to just **** ****. I have lil experience with dota but it reminds me of dungeons and dragons meaning you gotta be huge nerd to understand all the **** you can do in the game. League is more your regular kind of guy can pick up easy where as dota is you have to be huge nerd to understand how all the **** works. Either way both these games are trash if you want real skill stick to Sheep tag/Starcraft 2/Planetside 2.
Edit: Main reasons league is more popular is because its easier to pick up and can be played using **** ass computers. Overall at "pro" level I believe both games have equal skill involved, but the skill is not even close to the skill needed to play Sc2. Also Dota 2 is like 100% BR and Russians impossible to communicate with your team.
i thought that too when i was mainly playing sc2 ( high master mrr ) but thats not true.
in starcraft all u gotta do is to play like a robot, get the right builds, timings and macro. which is pretty hard dont get me wrong but dota2 requires different aspects of skills. For example teamplay, minimap awarness and is alot more strategical focused.
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Eh your right to an extent, but every game is "robot" like. In dota you just go to lane farm creeps build same items depending on who your against etc.
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Eh your right to an extent, but every game is "robot" like. In dota you just go to lane farm creeps build same items depending on who your against etc.
How can you claim dota is easy when u have such a bad understanding of the game that u think this is what the game is about? You probably didn't play anything other than the lowest of pubs.
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Eh your right to an extent, but every game is "robot" like. In dota you just go to lane farm creeps build same items depending on who your against etc.
How can you claim dota is easy when u have such a bad understanding of the game that u think this is what the game is about? You probably didn't play anything other than the lowest of pubs.
Nah I've played against all the dota legends Demon/Fear/Link/Merlini etc.
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I have played both LoL and Dota quite extensively, and enjoy both very much.
Saying either game doesn't take skill is untrue. In both LoL and DotA a situation could arise where if you don't react according to the situation in under 0.5 seconds you could be dead. Being able to identify, and react to the situation in that small amount of time is NOT something that is just natural. The majority of players would die. Perhaps if you have been a gamer for all or most of your life, it could feel like 2nd nature to have reaction like this, but it is actually a skill you have built up over years of gaming. Also in both games, a really good player will be able to make said reactions multiple times across the course of one teamfight, as well as a whole game. That's just one example of a skill for mobas, like that skill is closely related to another skill: anticipation. Others include timing, juking, mind games, farming, etc.
Im not a starcraft expert, but it doesn't seem like one reaction in that small amount of time could hold that much weight in game outcome. One high value hero in both DotA and LoL dying could mean the end of the game. (not that sc2 doesnt take skill LOL)
In terms of LoL vs. DotA, both are great games in their own right. I personally like DotA better because it has more depth. There are simply more mechanics in the game, and they play off of each other like instruments in a symphony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5favl2Qtx0
LoL is more simplified, and has some interesting unique features like smartcasting, and tends to have one main focus of high speed ACTION. Action action action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOk5PnINEV8
In LoL the pace is much different than in DotA. I will try to make comparison thing...
LoL fighting is like 2 uber speed scorpions fighting, each with an extremely deadly stinger that will kill instantly. They circle each other poking with their claws until... They both lunge at each other with lightning speed and deadly force, and the fight is over within a few seconds.
DotA fighting is like a MMA match. It's much more drawn out, and thought out. You dont just go flying in gunz blazing flat out with your deadliest strike possible. You set up a situation where you will win, you read your opponent like a book, know your enemies weaknesses and strengths, and execute with speed, extreme accuracy and the correct amount of force at the perfect time.
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Thank you very much, Perry. That was a great analogy, but I think I'll stick with LoL for now. When I feel the need to be challenged more often I'll look into Dota2.
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Just outta curiosity what are you Dota 2 fans ranked in dota 2? Idk how dota 2 does rankings, but am curious to see if you are actually good at the game or just bronze scrubs saying ****. Me I'm top 2% in League link: http://www.lolsummoners.com/search?name=carryme2victory
I don't play Dota 2, but would like to know if I'm debating with actual Dota 2 players or scrubs.
As far as perry_hewbs (whoever the **** that is) said about LoL/Dota 2 teamfights I would have to agree. Except teams in League still try to set up a situation where you will win you don't just run in first chance you get (unless you suck).
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Hey thats a nice site BEER
http://www.lolsummoners.com/search?name=dragon+hodor
top 0.66% myself :]
But ye if you want to see some next level **** , Sunday the World Finals of League of Legends start.
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http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/37324701
http://www.lolsummoners.com/search?name=carryme2victory
if these are your stats, then idk what u were trying to show off; they look fuckin horrible
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http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/37324701
http://www.lolsummoners.com/search?name=carryme2victory
if these are your stats, then idk what u were trying to show off; they look ****in horrible
Says the scrub that didn't even link his stats rofl gtfo
Also pls share with me how my stats are bad? 30-14 W/L is bad on Veigar? 5.7-4.7.9.5 KDA is BAD? Thats a 3.2 KDA in HIGH Elo.
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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dota-2
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/league-of-legends
Here's the difference between the games rofl. note that most of the bad reviews on dota2 have nothing to do with the game itself, but critisize the hostile community (100% chance of getting flamed if you play horrible, even pretty high chance if ur not playing horrible ^^).
i've also noted that many low talent/toiletbrain players tend to be rly good at LoL after alot of playing. this applies to dota2 to some extent as well (practice leads to performance in any game), but not nearly as much as on LoL it seems. this has nothing to do with beers stats (didn't even check his link), i noted this like half a year ago based on people i know that play the game.
i think the reason is that dota is more sophisticated and strategy/decisions based, whereas LoL is abit more fast-paced and action-packed, so raw skill tends to have a bigger impact in LoL. feel free to take me up on this if you think im wrong, that's just my impression.
btw, itio **** dota!
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Dota 2 best yo. LoL is disgusting game they are WORLDS apart depth is non-existent which is fine because it's a casual game but don't even compare it to Dota 2.
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the most disgusting **** in LoL is that people who play 5000 games OR pay real money for **** -> get a fundamentally better character than people who haven't played 5000 games or payed real money.
there are these "stats" and "special abilities" which you can level up, and they cost "ingame money"(BIG amounts) or ~10 dollars per upgrade. once you unlock these -> the stats/abilities of all your characters get permanently boosted.
this is REAL INFO(correct me if im wrong!). this alone disqualifies LoL from any comparison with dota2.
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Disqualified. Skins/icons only improve appearance, no bonus skills/dmg etc.
Everything else that isnt skins/icons/other appearance things cost only ip points which are gained automatically as u play games(free).
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noone's talking about skins or apparence. LoL is disqualified from Dota2 comparison!
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Influence points (IP): used to buy stuff in LoL. you get IP by playing alot of games. every game you play = you get around 17+2*minutes influencepoints. so around 75 IP per game on average.
Riot points (RP): another form of LoL currency which you buy with real money. cost 10 dollars for ~1400 RP.
to get heroes in LoL, you have to buy them, either with IP or RP. hero costs go all the way up to 6300 IP (you get 75 IP per game you play), and up to 1000 RP (1400 RP costs 10 dollars).
other than heroes, you can buy upgrades to your heroes (such a +4 dmg or whatever). these are called RUNES. their price goes up to 2000IP. here is a link of all the runes you can buy:
http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/summoners/runes/
other than this, you use these currencies for hero-skins, apparence, and so on. so we know that people who pay REAL money or have played 5000 games get fundamentally stronger heroes than players who haven't done this.
Disqualified. Skins/icons only improve appearance, no bonus skills/dmg etc.
Everything else that isnt skins/icons/other appearance things cost only ip points which are gained automatically as u play games(free).
well an iphone is free as well by this logic, you just have to go to work.
the information in this post = gathered from a quick research. it confirmed everything i have said. if my info is wrong, correct me. but this is the final point: in dota2 you get all heroes for free, and you can't ''grind'' for advantages or pay for advantages with real money. your SKILL talks, nothing else. this is not the case in LoL, where paying real money or playing 5000 games makes your hero stronger in games compared to people who don't do this.
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Amir, that is how you keep people playing the game, play 2 more games so I can buy this wonderful champion,
but ye you have to play alot of games to get all the runes.
But that's pretty obvious since its a F2P game, they have to make money somehow.
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well dota doesn't have any of that nonsense and is doing fine.
dota2 makes money off people who buy cool skins/clothes for their heroes (that have ZERO impact on gameplay).
these clothes and skins are given out for free as well. every time u play a game u have a chance to get a free item.
nothing wrong with making money. only disgusting = the more you pay, the better you become ingame.
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I was looking into playing dota 2. Till I realized there is no ranking system. And no way to see other players stats etc. All you do is play the game and more games you play the higher your level gets. So in reality you could be level 130 but still suck ass at dota 2. Its like Halo 4 the more you play the higher your "rank" your skill means nothing just how much you play. In league you are given a rank and work your way up through a series of divisions/leagues which imo is much more fun and creates a much more competitive environment. It disgusts me how your W/L in league is hidden, and I hear its the same way in Dota 2? But good thing theres stat sites to go around these "lets treat everyone equal" bullshit.
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I was looking into playing dota 2. Till I realized there is no ranking system. And no way to see other players stats etc. All you do is play the game and more games you play the higher your level gets. So in reality you could be level 130 but still suck ass at dota 2. Its like Halo 4 the more you play the higher your "rank" your skill means nothing just how much you play. In league you are given a rank and work your way up through a series of divisions/leagues which imo is much more fun and creates a much more competitive environment. It disgusts me how your W/L in league is hidden, and I hear its the same way in Dota 2? But good thing theres stat sites to go around these "lets treat everyone equal" bull****.
Level in dota 2 doesn't determine what ranking/skill bracket you are in. if anything, level doesn't mean anything at all in dota 2. Brackets are organized by normal, high and very high which can be found on ur dotabuff or w/e
anyways im in the highest bracket of dota 2 and i can tell b/c i face 5 man stacks when solo queueing, im usually on the front page w/ a lot of spectators and i get matched w/ pro players. My level is only 91 which is a lot lower than people like ko[a]la who has 2k+ games played (more than twice the amoutn of games i have) and his skill bracket is a lot lower than mine.
how are you even defending that LoL is a better game than dota 2? how disgusting.
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Level in dota 2 doesn't determine what ranking/skill bracket you are in. if anything, level doesn't mean anything at all in dota 2. Brackets are organized by normal, high and very high which can be found on ur dotabuff or w/e
anyways im in the highest bracket of dota 2 and i can tell b/c i face 5 man stacks when solo queueing, im usually on the front page w/ a lot of spectators and i get matched w/ pro players. My level is only 91 which is a lot lower than people like ko[a]la who has 2k+ games played (more than twice the amoutn of games i have) and his skill bracket is a lot lower than mine.
how are you even defending that LoL is a better game than dota 2? how disgusting.
I'm not defending ****. I can't stand LoL. I was simply saying I was going to migrate to Dota 2 till I realized there is no ranking system. Now it makes sense why Dota 2 has a 10th of the player base as LoL. Also dotabuff is stupid you have to "Allow Access" or w/e so babies can disable it. But yeah LoL/Dota 2 both bad just play Hearthstone clearly the best up and coming game. http://www.twitch.tv/directory already matches Dota 2 in viewers.
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Divisions/leagues are stupid in a ranking system. Should either use a hard rank number (can separate into region if you want), perhaps an ELO, or a percentile.
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ROFL ITIO??? Your skill bracket is higher than mine? I've seen the people you match... I just never play on my own anymore but I've been in very high for ages. Not that means anything you still get trash and idiots on your team. But yeah I'm pretty sure Valve is working out something soon because they've just taken away the Normal, High and Very High.
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Divisions/leagues are stupid in a ranking system. Should either use a hard rank number (can separate into region if you want), perhaps an ELO, or a percentile.
There was an ELO system, but they changed it into this.
And I agree with BEER no w/l or rating = no competitive **** with your friends to brag about.
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1) there is w/l and competetive in Dota2. people have a chance to make their statistics private though, to avoid being stalked after every game they play. most people don't put their profile on private, and you can see W/L on third party sources, as well as peoples history, their records, friends they play with. you can also see various ranks "highest winrate/most games played", you can see history and w/l of all teams(amateur teams too). wots de problem? what exactly is it dota2 doesn't have that you're so dependant on?
you didn't mind that sheeptag didn't have a ranking for all these years? these "objective rankings" are usually bullshit anyway and can be manipulated easily, such as the DotaCash rankings where low players managed to get ranks they didn't deserve by a longshot. but yeah, for all "competing with friends and sharing stats" purposes; dota2 fills all requirements.
2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a larger playerbase.
3) i have no question that itio got the highest skillbracket in our community, based on some of the opponents i've seen him face. but as I already pointed out in 1), stuff like this can easily be manipulated. if you play with pro friends for instance, you'll get to brackets you don't belong in, and if you play with trash friends, you'll get in brackets below what you'd be in if you played by yourself. it also depends on how hard you try. some people only pick the heroes that are considered strong/''overpowered'' in the current version of the games, while others only play heroes that have fun spells. then you have people who play -random most of their game. all of this (there are other ways too) influences what bracket you get in.
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2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a larger playerbase.
Do know that this only works in the early levels, when you are level 30 you can start playing ranked and you'll get matched with people > 600 games so "cheating" doesnt have any effect anymore.
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ROFL ITIO??? Your skill bracket is higher than mine? I've seen the people you match... I just never play on my own anymore but I've been in very high for ages. Not that means anything you still get trash and idiots on your team. But yeah I'm pretty sure Valve is working out something soon because they've just taken away the Normal, High and Very High.
i already explained how i know im in the highest skill bracket lol. im frequently on the top page with a lot of spectators, which i highly doubt u ever were
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2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a larger playerbase.
Your perception of how much paying money affects game play in League of Legends is absurd. The only thing you can buy are Champions/Skins. Skins = Do nothing for you in-game other in appearance. Buying Champions does NOTHING for you if you are not good with that Champion. Every Champion is suppose to be "Balanced" and the price of a champion does not effect how strong that champion is. Runes/Stat upgrades can only be purchased with IP and typically once you reach LVL 30 you have earned enough IP to buy the best Runes.
And I agree with you on the fact that easier games are played by more people. If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.
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If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.
This is a completely invalid argument. Pong is less played than DotA, is that because it's harder?
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If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.
This is a completely invalid argument. Pong is less played than DotA, is that because it's harder?
Just saying what amir said. And maybe yes pong could be extremely hard .
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yes pong could be extremely hard
Depends on your definition of "hard." I imagine post people would consider difficulty of getting into (in which it is near zero), the skill curve (IDK), and the competition (IDK).
Easy games aren't simply more popular than harder games. Sheep Tag is extremely different than other games in which the the two teams are fundamentally different and the number of players on each team weren't equal nor linearly balanced (2v4 compared to 4v8). This makes it more foreign, innovative to learn, etc. DotA was pretty standard.
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Your perception of how much paying money affects game play in League of Legends is absurd. The only thing you can buy are Champions/Skins. Skins = Do nothing for you in-game other in appearance. Buying Champions does NOTHING for you if you are not good with that Champion. Every Champion is suppose to be "Balanced" and the price of a champion does not effect how strong that champion is. Runes/Stat upgrades can only be purchased with IP and typically once you reach LVL 30 you have earned enough IP to buy the best Runes.
And I agree with you on the fact that easier games are played by more people. If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply because Dota was much easier.
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you have to buy runes in LoL. i've already covered how paying real money or grinding gives you advantages in LoL. i never stated how big these advantages are because i don't know, but they exist.
i also specificied in what way LoL is easier than dota. argument was not that "easier game = more played than hard game", but instead that it seems like the masses prefer online games where you can ''grind'' for advantages (WoW, LoL, etc) rather than your winrate being entirely decided by your skill. similar to how most gamers like to spend money on gaming gear (''gaming mice'' etc.) that supposedly give them an edge ingame, even though the edge is miniscule for the price you pay. people don't like losing, they enjoy/aim at being the best, and for the vast majority of players, "grinding"/"pay-for-advantage" type games are the only way they can reach this.
just trying to explain how LoL can have a bigger playerbase without being a better game. i think someone mentioned LoL having a bigger playerbase than dota2 (assumably as an argument infavor for LoL).
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What you are saying makes since Amir.
On top of that I believe LoL has a larger player base because of how much the shitty ass company Riot (creators of LoL) baby the community. Its quite obnoxious how ridiculously babied every LoL player is when it comes to trash talking/flaming etc. In Dota 2 there is VoIP which already makes Valve 10 times better then Riot. Also Valve actually knows how to create a game client. Riot's client is a piece of **** thrown together on Adobe. Overall I think Dota 2 is a much better designed game by a much better company. Riot is one of the worst companies in the world and I can't wait to see it die out once everyone gets out of this MOBA gaming mentality.
On the Runes/Champions grinding thing. You said some people like to "grind" for "advantages", but I actually believe some people like to "grind" to actually earn something. In Dota 2 there is nothing to play for. There is nothing you earn from winning. For me I do not care about this ****, but many people do like to "earn" something for playing.
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just trying to explain how LoL can have a bigger playerbase without being a better game. i think someone mentioned LoL having a bigger playerbase than dota2 (assumably as an argument infavor for LoL).
League of Legends 2012:
http://www.destructoid.com/league-of-legends-has-32-million-monthly-active-players-236618.phtml
Dota 2 - 3 months ago:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1j6uyw/5_milliion_unique_dota_2_players/
Speaks for itself doesnt it, lol.
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mappy, im not arguing that it isn't true, but that it doesn't make the game better (alternative explenation provided).
On the Runes/Champions grinding thing. You said some people like to "grind" for "advantages", but I actually believe some people like to "grind" to actually earn something. In Dota 2 there is nothing to play for. There is nothing you earn from winning. For me I do not care about this ****, but many people do like to "earn" something for playing.
so once you gather the runes -> you've won LoL? no point in playing anymore? or how would this work exactly?
point is that you can grind "unfair" advantages in LoL (extra movementspeed on your hero etc). you can play for money in dota2, you can play for collectable items, you can play for achievements, you can play to reach the top of the ranks (on third party sources), you can play to improve, or simply play to have fun/win games.
playing for runes is like playing for maphack in sheeptag. once you've played 5000 games on CMK's bot, you're allowed to maphack (others aren't). thats principally what runes are, but ofcourse the advantage is much smaller. it's nasty. there are many things to play for and ''earn'' in both LoL and Dota2, grinding advantages is a different story. when comparing dota2 and LoL, the ability to ''buy/grind advantages" is a minuspoint to LoL in my eyes (and hopefully yours too).
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you can play for money in dota2, you can play for collectable items, you can play for achievements, you can play to reach the top of the ranks (on third party sources), you can play to improve, or simply play to have fun/win games.
You can play LoL for all those reasons to. I do prefer Dota 2s mentality of giving everyone every Hero right from the start. The only problem with this is beginners are thrown into a Hero pool of over 100 and have no clue what to do I.E they might play a very advanced Hero on accident and dislike the game afterwards. This is awesome IMO get rid of the weak. Unfortunately in LoL, Riot likes to baby all the players and only let newbies pick from a pool of about 8 Champions. Overall Riot has the RP/IP system as a means of monetary gain and to be gentle to the retards.
EDIT: I put some quotes from Amir on the League of Legends subreddit to see what they had to say about Runes/Champions making you better http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1n7mm4/league_of_legends_paygrind_to_win/
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dota2 has a tutorial and recommends heroes for new players. LoL restricts you to 8-10 heroes per week even when uve played 10000 games (as far as i know). LoL and DotA2 are similar, but LoL is worse at everything that's different about the games. i haven't heard 1 good reason for choosing LoL over dota2 yet.
everyone on reddit agreed with me apart form a few braindead americans (despite the fact that you quoted me out of context of our debate instead of linking the whole ****). ive heard similar objections before. "everyone can get all the runes if they play alot!" "you're just handicapping yourself by not paying for runes, not giving yourself and advantage by buying them!" etc.
so, i don't want to keep this going for years, i've told everyone why i think dota2 is better than LoL. everything i've said appears to be correct. bring me reasons to why LoL is better than dota2 if you wanna continue debaten. ADIUSS.
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What makes you think I am debating that LoL is better than Dota 2? Almost everything I have said is me saying LoL sucks and Riot is a **** company, because it is. The debate is about why LoL has more players than Dota 2, but yeah I'm bored of this as well. That reddit thread was funny you are Rebelsmark no?