pay for host bots(CMK/Exalius/Whoever owns sor bot)- lol
whole community at the moment is run by idiots who are trying to exile others(Hitler csb kids?)- what an extremely vague statement. without CsB sheeptag would not be active at the moment. also, for the most part the players we ban, we have good reason to ban. a simple analogy, people hate on cops, they trash talk them and call them idiots, but when they are no longer there, everything goes to chaos.
You have done no analysis what the current changes will do, you haven't even tested it, Who says sheep will last 20 minutes? They shouldn't last 20 minutes, Wolves start off with 2 hit right from the bat, they don't get as much gold(Still need to work out the Shepherd and sheep economy, and balance it, hence the testing), But all items will(already do) cost less. Wolves will never get one hit(at this moment in time), but you shouldn't need one hit because sheep will never be able to mass upgraded farms(They have no money farms and are getting gold decently slowly).
Yes I'm definitely taking Shoops ideas, I want to see how it goes.
I didn't test it and I won't test it.@EVERYONE THINKING THE SAME THING AS SharingMyHeroes.
This map looks BORING as ****.
ATM = wolf is BORING even though you win right after getting cloaks
YOUR MAP = you can't even get CLOAKS / CLAWS anything. You don't have golems before 10mins since no gold bounty and no gold sharing.
Definetly against an even more BORING map.
yeee boycotting this map. all i see is nostalgic pride, long-boring games, and some power struggles.@Spoofy, You're miss using the word nostalgic, you have no idea what it means, clearly I'm not trying to recreate Sheep tag from the past it has never been like this, it has never been to what it currently is on BEERS either. SPOOFY read this carefuly The third quote of mine you did clearly states, I do not intend for there to be long boring games. If the game is long it means Shepherds are EXTREMELY bad and Sheep are Very good. What I intend is for Sheep to die at any minute of the game, With the current map, they can not die at any minute of the game because between 3 - 10 minutes, Sheep become more powerful than the shepherd by far. I would like to see that gone, instead make 1 - 20 minutes equal opportunity for the shepherd to kill the sheep team. which effectively means that my map ONCE BALANCED is harder than beers map to survive at all times of the game.
what an extremely vague statement. without CsB sheeptag would not be active at the moment. also, for the most part the players we ban, we have good reason to ban. a simple analogy, people hate on cops, they trash talk them and call them idiots, but when they are no longer there, everything goes to chaos.I'll respond to this quote in a completely different topic that I'll make today.
why fix what is not broken? map is slightly outdated and needs some fixes such as removing cloaks, but other then that I do not see many problems. give beer some credit for keeping the map alive.@Spoofy, the map is broken and has been for a while. It is still boring for Shepherds between 3 - 7 minutes, I'm attempting to make it more fun, Taking cloak away from beers map wouldn't be fun, because you are taking away a fast one hit that does "spread damage". That would actually make Shepherding last longer. I've explained what my intention is above, read it again.
also, shoops ideas looked insanely retarded. 100 gold reward for killing a stack farm? the ****? why are we using his ideas? is it because hes played since the dinosaur ages or because he has logic?@Spoofy Where in the change log does it say that you are rewarded 100 gold for killing a stack farm? You aren't rewarded any Spoofy, there is no Farm bounty. We are using his idea because it's logical, it should change the game for the better, it's not because he's played since the dinosaur ages, in fact I've played longer, I was there and in the realm of every main Sheep Tag Map creator(MDTEAM/Starmire/Team-X/Arxon_Havenloft and to.ct)RbR/GosuSheep and then of course GosuSheep/Chakra, even drewisfat when he was getting his map off the ground.)
i really think its time for players to throw away "player-name ego" and past accomplishments. live in the now and prepare for the future.That statement is a huge contradictory statement, you're not willing to even test this because it was originally Shoops idea. A person you don't necessarily respect or like due to past grievances. You then read what other people are posting because it isn't as long as my posts and just assume they have read the whole thing. How about instead of being a Sheep/brainwashed minion, why don't you read what I wrote and find out what I'm trying to say for YOURSELF!
#hawkyshashtagsMorons these days.... Getting worse.
#against 20 mins wolf rounds
#against the map
#vampire-like attitude
What to basically do on few steps :@Baiten, thank you for the attempt at constructive criticism. Read the above I do not intend for mass long games and they shouldn't happen. Once this is tested say in 10 different games, I will have a look at the average survival time, if it's not spread out Sheep aren't dieing at random times and both teams are trying then this is a problem. If they aren't lasting more than 5 mins most times it means I need to allow sheep to receive more gold per second, if they are lasting longer than say 10 minutes every time then it means I need to increase Shepherd gold.
1- take beer map
2- change cloaks
3- remove far sight
4- lower sentry sight radius
5- all fixen (keep gold sharing or mass long games)
kind regards.
baiten ur favorite and lovely SheepTag player
"Hitler map", whole community at the moment is run by idiots who are trying to exile others(Hitler csb kids?) Community is lucky they even have people who attempt to run a forum(Sidey), pay for host bots(CMK/Exalius/Whoever owns sor bot) and attempt map making(Chakra/me/gosu/beer)/setting up a competitive scene(Shoop/shya/cmk).
stop being an idiot who has the attention span of a 5 year old and READ the whole thing. Not only read, but understand it. Contribute properly by supporting the idea and suggesting a way we could balance it.
What to basically do on few steps :I'd also like to get the proposed changes for the map we play on right now from Clan CsB as they seem to have an idea of what will improve beers map that is in the current theme we have: damage items allowing for a CONSTANT 1 hit, gold sharing, farm/sheep bounty, etc. I still think these map changes are positive and is certainly and a step in the right direction. This idea deserves to be fleshed out and get properly tested before being discarded but I don't think it will. This map should really take off if we can balance it right.
1- take beer map
2- change cloaks
3- remove far sight
4- lower sentry sight radius
5- all fixen (keep gold sharing or mass long games)
kind regards.
baiten ur favorite and lovely SheepTag player
Read all the change logs:@SharingMyHeroes, It's a game supported by the community, and developed by the map maker, I'm not adding something random, I am explaining it. I have spent the last however many posts explaining it. Once again you are not reading what I'm writing. I don't meant to be lengthy, I'm trying to explain in detail for you. The first post was lengthy as it was, to let you guys make sense of it. All you needed to do was ask for explanation of certain changes, after you asked(Which you didn't) or expressed your fears(Which you did), I answered. Unfortunately however many posts down and you still haven't read them.
The only positive point I see is that we have a mapmaker back in community.
Beer used to make random changes and did never ask things to people and this is mainly the reason I don't like your map, I don't support it, you are doing the same thing.
We are a community, yet mapmaker chooses everything in the map and we shall play it and shaddap.
Missing part: explanations of the changes.
- Hm? never said hitler map but yea.This is really off topic thing to concentrate on but I'll address it:
- Exalius pays for bot? did not play in his bot since 2009. Never saw it on roc, its not a paid bot as far as i am concerned.
- Spoofy owns one bot too where we play massive games.
- You attempt map making? you are doing random changes that came from nowhere, you don't even explain why and we shall test it and shaddap, "ok".
- Competitive scene? hmm yea, Shoop? dodged a clan war I asked; cmk? I guess you mean me since I am the one that is asking for matches on forum and the one who organizated cw; Shya? made a clan full of backstabbs and friendships with spambotters
From what you say, I can tell you my dear Alphabet, you do NOT know what is going on in this community, you are saying BULL****. You came back last month (I believe?) and think you are aware of everything.@SharingMyHeroes, Offtopic again but I'll address it.
But in one sentence, you showed that you are completly LOST. Try talking more with the community.
So to contribute I have to support your idea? I can't be against it?No you have to support me/chakra as map makers, not every idea we attempt to implement.
Why is it someone that plays the game 1time per week that imposes ideas for the map instead of debating them with ppl that actually play it daily?@SharingMyHeroes, I don't play it once a week, since I've been back I've been on every day on Europe during a timezone that is ridiculous for me(you guys play from 3:30am - 7:00am for me, yet I'm on and I have uni studies to do as well as work a few times a week to survive. I am also on during aussie hours so that I can attempt to recruit them too(going alright at the moment, was going very slow but has picked up). I am more active than you.
It's not cuz you make 500 words posts that you are more than anyone else, sit down 2 minutes and take a coffee.
Bring Dolly back!!! The BIG DOLLY!!! :D@Tollison, Please from now on with all map making suggestions post your suggestion in its own topic with the subject line reading Map making Suggestions [what they effect farms/sheep/wolves/sight etc]. I will answer this one, this once only discussions related to this changelog are to be done here. If you want a discussion about any of these changes tollison, make a different post.
Make an in game command that rotates the map to whatever degree the one in charge wishes.Explain this further? You mean have the individual player rotate their map to whatever degree they like? If so this may be a feature added later.
Seek to make the terrain similar to that of sheep tag alternative. It's a much better terrain than Revo ^^.We will be trying out different terrains later, for now we are trying to do a balancing change. I don't want to change too much too fast. Best to get this balanced and then move on.
Just give full view of the map to wolves. The wolves practically see the whole map anyways and it will eliminate any need for wards and invis farm.Wolves only see the whole map if they have used farsight(Which we will balance) or wards. We want to make the map sight a skill for both Sheeps and Shepherds. Hopefully in tournament games later on(After we have implemented a league), we will be adding a Sheep Tag Client where map hacking will be impossible. So sight will come into play a lot more then too.
Change the middle fence area.
take away stack stomp and give the shep a short meat hook.I personally don't like this idea of combining dota with st. The stomp is easier to use, especially for pubs and it also would have a really bad effect on Run st. It would make it near impossible with 5 meet hooks coming at you should you get close enough to any shepherd.
Sheep benefits for saving wisps. Give sheeps extra speed, bigger line of sight, an extra farm, something!!!!!!!!!Sheep Already have a benefit I find sufficient for saving wisps, that is you get a team mate back to help you survive! If the masses would like other benefits, I am willing to take suggestions and I may implement it at a later stage when other things are balanced.
Give benefits to shepherds for however many farms they kill. Ex - 20 = faster shepherd, faster attack, etc.So at the moment in beers map there are benefits to killing farms(Gold bounties), I'm trying to take that away, I'm trying to make it so that Sheep are the objective, not farming massive amounts of items until sheep stand no chance. I want Shepherds to have individual play.
Make sheep locator automatic. every 5 seconds. Give it to shepherds too.I could definitely do this for Sheep, at the moment I wont but that could be a change in the future. Shepherds will never get this, for the above reason of keeping sight a skill in the game.
Quote from: Spoofy on November 01, 2013, 09:41:58 pm
yeee boycotting this map. all i see is nostalgic pride, long-boring games, and some power struggles.
@Spoofy, You're miss using the word nostalgic, you have no idea what it means, clearly I'm not trying to recreate Sheep tag from the past it has never been like this, it has never been to what it currently is on BEERS either. SPOOFY read this carefuly The third quote of mine you did clearly states, I do not intend for there to be long boring games. If the game is long it means Shepherds are EXTREMELY bad and Sheep are Very good. What I intend is for Sheep to die at any minute of the game, With the current map, they can not die at any minute of the game because between 3 - 10 minutes, Sheep become more powerful than the shepherd by far. I would like to see that gone, instead make 1 - 20 minutes equal opportunity for the shepherd to kill the sheep team. which effectively means that my map ONCE BALANCED is harder than beers map to survive at all times of the game.
Quote from: Spoofy on November 01, 2013, 09:41:58 pm
what an extremely vague statement. without CsB sheeptag would not be active at the moment. also, for the most part the players we ban, we have good reason to ban. a simple analogy, people hate on cops, they trash talk them and call them idiots, but when they are no longer there, everything goes to chaos.
I'll respond to this quote in a completely different topic that I'll make today.
Quote from: Spoofy on November 01, 2013, 09:41:58 pm
why fix what is not broken? map is slightly outdated and needs some fixes such as removing cloaks, but other then that I do not see many problems. give beer some credit for keeping the map alive.
@Spoofy, the map is broken and has been for a while. It is still boring for Shepherds between 3 - 7 minutes, I'm attempting to make it more fun, Taking cloak away from beers map wouldn't be fun, because you are taking away a fast one hit that does "spread damage". That would actually make Shepherding last longer. I've explained what my intention is above, read it again.
Quote from: Spoofy on November 01, 2013, 09:41:58 pm
also, shoops ideas looked insanely retarded. 100 gold reward for killing a stack farm? the ****? why are we using his ideas? is it because hes played since the dinosaur ages or because he has logic?
@Spoofy Where in the change log does it say that you are rewarded 100 gold for killing a stack farm? You aren't rewarded any Spoofy, there is no Farm bounty. We are using his idea because it's logical, it should change the game for the better, it's not because he's played since the dinosaur ages, in fact I've played longer, I was there and in the realm of every main Sheep Tag Map creator(MDTEAM/Starmire/Team-X/Arxon_Havenloft and to.ct)RbR/GosuSheep and then of course GosuSheep/Chakra, even drewisfat when he was getting his map off the ground.)
Quote from: Spoofy on November 01, 2013, 09:41:58 pm
i really think its time for players to throw away "player-name ego" and past accomplishments. live in the now and prepare for the future.
That statement is a huge contradictory statement, you're not willing to even test this because it was originally Shoops idea. A person you don't necessarily respect or like due to past grievances. You then read what other people are posting because it isn't as long as my posts and just assume they have read the whole thing. How about instead of being a Sheep/brainwashed minion, why don't you read what I wrote and find out what I'm trying to say for YOURSELF!
Quote from: Spoofy on November 01, 2013, 09:41:58 pm
#hawkyshashtags
#against 20 mins wolf rounds
#against the map
#vampire-like attitude
Morons these days.... Getting worse.
Good god almighty lets just reward wolves who run around in circles not killing farms and not killing sheep!But we should reward wolves for killing farms? Killing farms isn't the goal, nor is it at all fun to do so. As for sheep, it is long proven that the one who gets the kill isn't necessarily the one who deserves the majority or all of the income. An economy should require skill to master, but also be fun. Solely income-based gold isn't the solution, but it is a hell of a lot better than killing farms for gold.
Alpha, you can sum up what you mean in a few sentences. You're boring me with your paragraphs. You're just pulling some political bull**** to annoy me and I don't appreciate it.Every change you proposed I answered each one in two sentences, count the fullstops. Or do you mean to answer all your mixed points in two sentences all together with responses like "yes, no, yes, no" without giving reason?
i just read this today. leaving for cousins in an hour. i will explain my three VAGUE points when i return from my cousins sunday/monday.No, what I am being is hurt by the fact you are responding without reading what I am typing. I read everything you typed and it was a long post. You are reading shorter responses by different people and making a decision(Read Adams response). Your responses also use aggressive language like "boycott" etc.. I welcome your debate and look forward to it. Just one final note: Instead of saying they are bad, explain why you think so, because maybe you don't understand what I intend by making these changes.
you are extremely condescending, its ****ing disgusting and needs to be stopped.
i will debate with you on my return.
his looks like going 20 steps BACKWARDS instead of forwards.How is this backwards at all? Have you not read anything Adam has posted or myself?
Shepherd Naming ReworkedI will worship you, you have created an account through bnet that is impossible to create because of Char length and the spaces between. If a person spoofs that name, congrats?
To be clear I put names on wolves for fun because no one played. If your trying to make a "Serious" map then by all means remove the names and leave it that way. Quick question though what if I make an Old McDonald XLVII account on bnet?
The economy reworkNo, no one should be doing this, nor am I encouraging it. My plan is to discourage farming items by deliberately destroying poinless farms, instead of trying to isolate. I am able to show you a handful of replays and am willing to go through them with you telling you over skype etc.. What the problem with current wolfing is. I don't blame the wolves because it's the way the map was made. Which Beer, it's not your fault. You're a good map maker. The object of Shepherds should be to kill the Sheep, not random farms to get gold, like Chakra said.
Good god almighty lets just reward wolves who run around in circles not killing farms and not killing sheep! As for sheep just build farms lil sheepie fk it just keep building farms!
Farm ChangesI stated these small changes because it is announcing them instead of letting them find out when they are testing it. I'm trying to make things cheaper(Even if it is by two gold).
Upgrade is 4 hit? Good change! Oh wait it already was. Magic farm reduced from 52 gold to 50. Why? Cause fk you that's why!
Item ChangesThe majority of the item removals have been explained why, but if you like I can either explain it again with you on bnet, or you can read my long winded posts, or Adams post.
Goblin Merchant: "Sry guys this economy doe!! Gotta cutback to 1 shop man"
Shepherd ChangesThere is nothing really to change about the shepherd itself yet(for this idea of visioned gameplay), maybe some mana things, but i have to test other things first (The economy/Shepherd Items).
AKA None!
P.SYes.
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