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General Discussion / Re: Racism - an challenge for NIGHTMARE
« on: October 02, 2013, 11:27:55 am »
i estimate night's IQ at 100 points lower than the smartest black man's.
What is even the point of being racist when you yourself are inferior to like 90% of the race you are hating on? food for thought

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General Discussion / Re: Americans are the best race thus far
« on: September 29, 2013, 11:29:10 pm »
Lol Tolli getting CRUSHED  by Chakra. I guess not that big of a surprise.

But tolli, first you start off with threads about love/prosperity and the origins of hate... now this? You realize this is in the Hate category? I hate to gang up on you, but EVEN IF you won argument with chakra... Why brag and boost yourself for being superior and put down/laugh at the rest? This is like making fun of the fat kid in gym class.
No country is even close to perfect, including USA. But there is no doubt USA is one of the better countries on earth. Why make fun out of **** like kids dying of starvation at the age of 7 in Africa? This is all i hear from you:

"hurhur we are da bezt, luuk africuh dey cant eben feed dur kids hurhur, da moeny i spended on gas dis week is moer den taht kiddo in africA spent on fo0d in lifetiem DURHURBDUR we r so much bettur"

"HUrhur we haz bezt rate of homelesS 2 rich ppl in americuh cuz we HAZ Moast homelesS ppl... see iz dur no reeson wai we not bestest? Homelesz pplz gettin' dem goald teeths rite now aHurrr"

'MURRICA #1

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General Discussion / The Worst Music
« on: September 19, 2013, 06:47:59 am »
Normally there is thread for great music of all kinds that people find.
This thread is the opposite. Post the worst music imaginable. (this might fail because people don't always go searching for bad music)

I found this gem. The gem may be covered in **** and horribly fractured, But it is the only song i know to exist that the singer effectively destroys autotune's tuning mechanism. Just wait for the chorus. Beautifully wretched. This is rare on another level of bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIrhcTkHX_A

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General Discussion / Re: My public resignation
« on: September 17, 2013, 12:04:00 pm »
Don't be so dramatic tolli. You actually add some flare to this forums. Just don't start a topic without thinking about it more, and don't make tons of 1 line question threads, and you should be fine dude.

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General Discussion / Re: God
« on: September 16, 2013, 01:21:46 pm »
Yeh but if you aren't providing your own definition to clarify what you mean (since it is apparently some other definition) youre just saying that's the way it is without making any sense of it yet. Am I just supposed to believe you without understanding what you mean? They literally are just empty words to me. All you say is "this simply isn't true, as shown by the hypothetical" "the hypothetical works perfectly fine", how is this a logical counter argument to my logic that DESTROYED this ballpillow nonsense? it isn't a counter argument because you haven't explained the other definition of Caused that you are using. Literally:

If the bend was freaking eternal, then it didn't have a cause because nothing preceded it.
If the bend "is being caused" by the ball then there is freaking time passing aka it's all inside time dimension
based on MY definition of caused.

Until you explain what you mean by (timeless)CAUSE how YOU perceive it in your mind so it makes logical sense to me, then I won't know wtf youre talking about ... and your argument has major contradictions in it.

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General Discussion / Re: ANIME PARTY!!! YEEE
« on: September 15, 2013, 11:40:34 pm »
I dunno if this was mentioned already, but it probably hasn't been. It is called Danshi koukousei no nichijou.
It is comedy and pretty creative, but gets old after a while. 8/10

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General Discussion / Re: God
« on: September 15, 2013, 11:30:49 pm »
the cause (which you can call god) does preceed the universe causally, not temporally. that was the point of the ball and the pillow.
And my whole point is causally IMPLIES temporally. You can't have a Cause and Effect without Time. You literally are just ignoring the definition of Causal -.- so what do you mean by cause? What do you mean by created?

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the bend in the pillow is caused by the ball even if you take time away and assume the state is eternal.
lol what. I don't understand how you don't see the contradiction here. If you 'take away time' and establish the bend/pillow is eternal... then you are literally saying the bend/pillow doesn't have a cause based on the previous premises of the argument ROFL. They are now on the same level of existence as the BAll... how is it a causal relationship when THERE iS NO CAUSe?!

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how can the cause for time starting to exist possibly work in a dimension of time? this is maybe the biggest logical contradiction so far
This is point. UGH you are so close to realizing the TRuTh. I never made a contradiction here, I merely exposed the contradiction here, and acknowledged it. Time never had a cause, because cause implies time is needed. FFS I'LL JUST CUT TO CHASE.

The entirety of the Universe = GOD = Deh universe is Eternal.
TBH I'm an agnostic and I'm just trying to convert you to daoism LOL (from w/e you are, christian? muslim? Jewish?)
Daoism = De ball is incomprehensible. If you are describing de ball, then it isn't de ball. You can't have a bent pillow without de ball, and we know the bent pillow exists so ^^

We know existence exists and you can't have existence without non-existence, just like no up without down, no light without dark, etc. so non-existence exists, which is contradiction that is acknowledged by Daoism and counters with if youre trying to describe the "non-existence" part then it isn't the "non-existence" part, including the words/concept of "non-existence" which the best thing we can come up with is just a black screen. But that is still an experience of blackness. it is still something. God is what lies beyond the grave, it is how your face looks to your eyes. It is how color looks to a blind man. It is teh universe experiencing itself objectively.

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General Discussion / Re: God
« on: September 15, 2013, 01:09:13 pm »
perry, you've already accepted the original argument (our universe had to have had a cause), but now you're saying that this cause can't precede the universe, can't exist outside space-time, etc.
Not exactly what I was saying, but close. I didn't say cause of universe can't precede universe, I said cause of universe can't precede universe AND be outside dimension of time. Because when you say "precede" it literally means "to go before" which introduces linear thinking and a timeline into the picture. See, it is contradiction. So w/e relationship this timeless, shapeless God-existence had/has/willhave to our universe, it isn't "preceded".

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so you're basically saying that whatever caused our universe to exist was part of our universe when it caused our universe to exist?
For the most part yes... I'm saying BigBang is more of just a localized event that had a cause that also was in space-time. My whole point kinda is that this Timeless Shapeless God-Existence can't be expressed in any form that is comprehensible. And that's exactly what you're trying to do, so it creates contradictions.

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the only way something can cause space/time to exist is if it exists outside space/time. i don't see how you call this a contradiction when you already accept that space/time needs a cause.
Either I really don't grasp what you're saying or you just don't see the contradiction lol. Saying something outside of the dimension of time Causes anything just doesn't make sense, because Cause implies it precedes an effect, which we already dealt with Precedes. It an order of events or states of existence Cause-->Effect, which, again, requires linear thinking/timeline to be comprehensible. So w/e relationship this timeless, shapeless God-Existence has to our universe, it isn't the cause.

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but yeee the answer is that the cause of our universe doesn't preceed our universe in a strict sense, yet it still caused our universe to exist. it's like if you have a ball on top of a pillow. the pillow is gonna be a little "bent" due to the ball on top of it. but what if these two objects have always existed together? the ball didn't preceed the pillow on a timescale, yet it still has a causal effect on the pillow(makes it bend). so yee, the cause of our universe doesn't need a timeline to be the cause of our universes existance.
I love this ^^ You keep trying to describe it with examples from our space-time universe... but you're getting close to the core of the matter, so read carefully!~
So I think here the Ball and the Pillow represent God, and the Bend represents our universe. Now the problem with this is when you say they always existed together, which is an attempt to take out the time element so the ball/pillow never precede anything, and nothing preceded them, but it doesn't actually work in the end. The reason it no work is because:

If they both always existed like that then so did the bend, which means the bend was never created, or caused.
Or
If you say the bend WAS caused, then it means the ball fell on the pillow or was slowly pushed into it to make the bend, which now you are directly applying dimensions of space and time on the pillow/ball aka God.

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General Discussion / Re: God
« on: September 15, 2013, 09:01:37 am »

2a) this cause had to be insanely powerful (as it created the universe).
2b) the cause had to exist outside time, matter and space (since time, matter and space came at the big bang/start of our universe, and the cause preceeded our universe).
2c) the cause had to have had a will (it had to want to create the universe, as the cause of our universe was itself unaffected by other causes, meaning that it didn't create the universe as a chain of causes and effects, nor did it randomly spawn the universe unintentionally because abstract and eternal concepts, such as numbers, can't cause anything)
2d) the cause had to have been intelligent because it had a will (you can't favor one thing over another - create the universe or not - without some rationale)
2e) the cause had to have been intelligent also because the universe is a complex, yet well functioning, system (the laws of physics, mathematics, laws of nature etc.)
2f) etc etc...

3) the cause of our universe goes hand to hand with how god has been defined by the majority of theists - personal, intelligent, allpowerfull, exists outside time/matter/space, created the universe, is itself uncreated/uncaused, and so on.

2a) Implies energy or some force is behind it, some ability, some action, which would be impossible if 2b is true, so already this is contradiction.

2b) This really should have come first, but yea. Again, conflicts with 2a, 2c, etc.  Also something cant "precede" something else if it exists outside of time, moar contradiction even though it is required for 'caused universe' to make sense: which leads to 2c, the heart of the matter (because God needs consciousness, ye?)

2c) IF it "caused" the universe then it automatically is within a time dimension. Namely, it is the beginning of this universe's cause and effect chain. It is a contradiction in language once again. if something "caused" something else then it has to be within a time dimension based on how we currently define "cause and effect".

So since it claims God as cause of the universe, that now puts God in Space-time, which means that, based on the previously mentioned Premises of the argument, that cause (god) would now need to have a cause as well!~ So God would just be another effect along the chain, just another event. Now you see how this starts to unravel.

The argument throws around these words used to describe our universe in a futile attempt to fit a specific concept of God (the christian/jewish/muslim God of the old man in the sky) into Cosmology (which is modeled after actual universe). It doesnt work because what you are actually trying to describe literally transcends language and the imagination itself. (the vague 'god existence' before time/space).

what youre doing is like saying to a blind man: "the color red smells really salty". It's REALLY apparent this argument was made by someone with the middle eastern/western concept of God of "The Old Man in the Sky". definitely not buddhist, hindu, daoist, etc

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General Discussion / Re: God
« on: September 15, 2013, 12:39:07 am »
Chiefhero ffs why you ignore the best argument against that cosmology statement... the premises are all fine,even saying universe has cause is logical enough. The HUGE leap of faith in ur argument comes when it says it is most likely some kind of god or godlike being that caused our universe to exist.
THAT is what you need to expand on. Why is it that whatever eternal thing it is that caused our universe to exist has to have intelligence? That question isnt answered by the previous line of logic in the premises/conclusion.

Aka all that argument REALLY claims is something eternal/outside time has to be the cause of a finite, temporal universe. Still 0 basis for believing god exists even if it was flawless 100% proveable fact

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General Discussion / Re: God
« on: September 14, 2013, 01:12:32 pm »
GEEKENS!!!! calm down on the toilets.



what do you guys think about the FAMOUS cosmological argument tho?

premiss 1: everything that starts to exist/is temporal had a cause
premiss 2: the universe is temporal/came into existrance
conclusion: the universe had a cause/something caused the universe to exist
continuation: arguing that this cause shares features with how god is usually defined -> the cause is most likely some sort of god.

pretty sure i got the argument right. how would you rebutt this?
you want geeken? ill show you geeken
Premise 1: ok dats fine
Premise 2: ok ok
Conclusion: Ye ok
Continuation: Erm? How is cause most likely an intelligence? If we go back in time all the way to big bang (creation of universe), we get to before there were people, then before there were land animals, before bacteria, etc etc, before there were planets, before there were the more complex atoms , back to when there was only gas, all the way back to big bang explosion...
100% of the "effects" in the "cause and effect" chain before there was life and after the big bang didn't require ANY intelligence. What are grounds for believing an intelligence came before all that and just dipped out after BigBanging?

Oh wait I knows! Eventually gravity will pull all the matter of our universe back into 1 object at the center right? And since gravity is a uniform force, eventually it will all be smashed down into 1 object with only 1 type of atom. Then at that moment when it perfectly matches the gravity and becomes 100% uniform it becomes ABSOLUTELY 100% identical to w/e mass was at the center of OUR big bang (the current one), then it will explode again in a 100% the same big bang, then gas will form, complex atoms, all 100% identical to before, each requiring the previous state, all the way up to you reading this post and beyond to the next collapse.  (notice how dis theory destroys the intelligence=cause of universe)

BUT! each time it becomes the center mass of big bang, because of how intense its energy state is, it enters another spacial dimension and sends out an immense wave of information that has all the knowledge of all the matter in that object (including the conciousness, intelligence etc--because WE exist in that matter), surpassing time, and experiencing the entirety of THAT BigBang all at once 3dimensionally, but able to **** with it in any way it wants through the extra dimension it resides in, which then acts as a database to store the information it changed(acting similar to memory), so each time we enter the god-state we remember ourselves as we previously imagined, and each big bang is like a frame of inter-dimensional "god conciousness" >:D

edit: oh and because in physix they say everything conserved then we are also conserved and inevitable part of every gravity cycle, therefore it iz the same consciousness re-imagining each bigbang

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General Discussion / Re: God
« on: September 11, 2013, 09:39:27 pm »
how does universe seems infinite = god exists?
Also having a "good reason" to believe in god is pretty irrelevant. "good reason" could mean anything... like "it makes me happy". what is important in determining if god exists is the evidence present for its existence, which there simply isn't any.

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Community Discussion / Re: The Biggest Troll
« on: September 11, 2013, 10:16:40 am »
Tollison the biggest troll ever? Not even close. He's no where near the level of Andy Kaufman, who trolled millions of people using TV and the Mass Media consistently throughout his career. It is suspicious though that Tollison is much stranger than he used to be and it almost seems like it happened overnight. I feel like it isn't really Tollison, but ClanTrivia posing as Tollison.

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General Discussion / Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
« on: September 11, 2013, 07:22:25 am »
I have played both LoL and Dota quite extensively, and enjoy both very much.

Saying either game doesn't take skill is untrue. In both LoL and DotA a situation could arise where if you don't react according to the situation in under 0.5 seconds you could be dead. Being able to identify, and react to the situation in that small amount of time is NOT something that is just natural. The majority of players would die. Perhaps if you have been a gamer for all or most of your life, it could feel like 2nd nature to have reaction like this, but it is actually a skill you have built up over years of gaming. Also in both games, a really good player will be able to make said reactions multiple times across the course of one teamfight, as well as a whole game. That's just one example of a skill for mobas, like that skill is closely related to another skill: anticipation. Others include timing, juking, mind games, farming, etc.

Im not a starcraft expert, but it doesn't seem like one reaction in that small amount of time could hold that much weight in game outcome. One high value hero in both DotA and LoL dying could mean the end of the game. (not that sc2 doesnt take skill LOL)

In terms of LoL vs. DotA, both are great games in their own right. I personally like DotA better because it has more depth. There are simply more mechanics in the game, and they play off of each other like instruments in a symphony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5favl2Qtx0

 LoL is more simplified, and has some interesting unique features like smartcasting, and tends to have one main focus of high speed ACTION. Action action action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOk5PnINEV8

In LoL the pace is much different than in DotA. I will try to make comparison thing...
LoL fighting is like 2 uber speed scorpions fighting, each with an extremely deadly stinger that will kill instantly. They circle each other poking with their claws until... They both lunge at each other with lightning speed and deadly force, and the fight is over within a few seconds.
DotA fighting is like a MMA match. It's much more drawn out, and thought out. You dont just go flying in gunz blazing flat out with your deadliest strike possible. You set up a situation where you will win, you read your opponent like a book, know your enemies weaknesses and strengths, and execute with speed, extreme accuracy and the correct amount of force at the perfect time.

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