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the so called, "legends"
« on: December 14, 2013, 12:16:30 am »
I'm glad to see that the people like Drew, Sidey, Amir, Shoop, Cow, Shroomy, deadfly, weedsheep, philo, Chakra, etc. are inactive or won't play ST again.

Every day sheep taggers do what they did but are a lot better than them now. 

The only true legend, the one that was able to prove to be the best legend is CMK.  He does what it seems no one else could ever do.

IDC what the ones i listed above have to say about this cause they're just average or below average chumps now.

keep doing good people.  this generation deserves much more respect from each other and the old kids cause you're the best sheep taggers to walk through BNet.

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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 07:03:03 pm »
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I'm glad to see that the people like Drew, Sidey, Amir, Shoop, Cow, Shroomy, deadfly, weedsheep, philo, Chakra, etc. are inactive or won't play ST again.

Every day sheep taggers do what they did but are a lot better than them now. 

The only true legend, the one that was able to prove to be the best legend is CMK.  He does what it seems no one else could ever do.

IDC what the ones i listed above have to say about this cause they're just average or below average chumps now.

keep doing good people.  this generation deserves much more respect from each other and the old kids cause you're the best sheep taggers to walk through BNet.

cmk isn't a new player, he has played since before the GGC days. hes an OLDschooler. you have to think about what cmk's status was in 06-08; when he didn't have a 6 years advantage compared to other "legends"; when he had played equally much as the rest of us. that will give you a greater idea of the differences in talent/potential/whatever you wanna call it - the stuff that actually matters and is interesting.

after playing non-stop for over a decade, it would only be ABSURD if cmk didn't have better technical skill than people who played st for 2 years. there is no question that cmk is probably the best technical player atm, and this is very likely explained (entirely) by the fact that he has played/practiced much more than everyone else.

so, in a sense, we agree that cmk is the greatest technical player. neither of us know whether cmk would be the greatest today if all other "legends" also played for a decade straight without breaks, but common sense makes it unlikely.



on the other hand, i don't think ANYONE who plays today (cmk included) has greater strategical insight or gameunderstanding than most of the old "legends". i value these elements more than technical skill. thus, i'd EASILY pick 4 "legends" to be on my team than 4 technical players, given that we got ~2 months preparation to shape up our technical gameplay, and get rid of the rust. the greatest players of all time might still be "old legends", if we factor in gameunderstanding, strategical insight, innovative gameplay, risk assesment, and many other critical factors that shape a good player. in fact, i'd say it's quite obvious that certain "legends" are the best players once you factor in everything that matters.

everything i said is easily demonstratable by the sideygridder tournament in 2012 (and to some extent the stwc 2013), where ''legends'' dominated more than the "technical players" of the new age, partly because of better gameunderstanding etc.

will be interesting to hear your response :D
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Re: the so called, "legends"
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 11:38:42 pm »
bro I know CMK has been playing since 2003 .  That's why I'm confirming him as the greatest legend of all time. 

You and whoever you pick wouldnt stand a chance against people like CMK and whoever he picks ^^

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 01:38:20 am »
Tollison if u ever pressed F11 in game, cmk's team has been defeated two or three times. I can't remember. ye sure cmk is a master of escape but the fact is there are still faster massers, better rters ect.

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 02:38:16 am »
CMK is a master of survival, not escape alone.

I forgot to pay respects to people who actually gave up their own time just to keep sheep tag alive and well

People in the likes of Chakra, gosu, Doh-San, Mike, Mavericksheep, Hawkys, Spoofy, Drew, Cow, Chaise etc and many others have actually given to the community by developing maps, keeping very successful and active clans etc. 

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 04:02:46 am »
Mass + Runtag + Escape = Survival tolli and ty :D

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Re: the so called, "legends"
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2013, 10:20:55 am »
The thing is amir, that none of "old legends" actually play ST ^^
I agree though, that they would probably still be best if they played, but they do not.

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2013, 01:24:31 pm »
If it isn't Sidey it isn't legend... not sure I understand what Tolli was trying to do with this thread. In any case I'm calling out Bulldog22, yeah I know you don't read these forums or play Sheep Tag anymore but I didn't appreciate your comment a while back on the current state of runtag with the readvent of the stack farm.

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2013, 08:20:00 am »
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The thing is amir, that none of "old legends" actually play ST ^^
I agree though, that they would probably still be best if they played, but they do not.
obviously old legends don't play ^^

but one could argue that this makes a comparison between cmk, and people who don't play, futile - since it comes from tollison? old legends aren't simply people that never played the game; they have lots of skills/knowledge about the game. what grounds are there for calling one player who got lots of skills (cmk) better than another player who got lots of skills (chaise), simply because one of them played st the last weeks, and the other didn't? especially unsound considering that many (tolli included) don't have any insight in chaises skills and abilities.

if anything, old legends have much more data to form conclusions from, since we know how good chaise is, and we know how good cmk is, in contrast to tolli who only knows how good cmk is :D



it appears obvious that cmk is the "best", since he dominates now and has played like more than twice as much as everyone else. i argued against this simply to see how you guys would respond (tolli didn't accomplish anything with his reply). if we had to bet our lives, maybe i would say that cmk is the best, who knows ^^
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Re: the so called, "legends"
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2013, 03:45:05 am »
What I accomplished:

People I listed in my first post and have the same characteristics of them are old news, not legends

Legends of ST are people like GosuSheep, Shroomy, Philosophize, MTTeam guy w/e his name is, etc.

The people who are calling themselves legends such as Shoop, Amir, Drew, would play poorly in todays games, they couldn't play very well unless they have a huge team to carry them.

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2013, 05:13:15 pm »
"Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippin, and Magic Johnson would do SO poorly today if they started playing basketball at the pro level again. They wouldn't even stand a chance, and would need a team to carry them."

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2013, 05:27:51 pm »
^ you just say that cause magic has the gay disease ^^

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Re: the so called, "legends"
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2013, 01:56:42 am »
all 3, if placed in a modern game today, would play as 2nd string or below.  Placing any 3 of them as starters now would ruin the game

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2013, 06:33:38 pm »
tolli correct me if im wrong, but didnt east win 2 tournys just like Europe did? Clearly says so in hall of fame :P So on a "political level" the servers have both one the same amount of tournaments. Not playing sheep tag isn't a crime either. StH produced the BEST sheep taggers. If you don't know this then ur either a euro or a texan :D

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2014, 07:41:07 am »
tollison i remember you were weird as ****, not as weird as clantrivia, but you said you banged a chicken on your farm. thats gross bro ;)

 

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